Dwarf cleric Question?

[Li Shenron]

Would there be any advantage in a dwarf cleric taking the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (dwarven waraxe) feat over the Martial Weapon Proficiency (dwarven waraxe) feat?

Can you actually take Martial WP (dwarven waraxe)? I don't think so, I think you always take Exotic WP (dwarven waraxe). If you are proficient with ALL martial weapons, that's when the special rule for dwarven waraxe and bastard sword kicks in. EWP removes the -4 anyway you use the waraxe, MWP removes it only when using it two-handed (at least speaking of medium characters), so there's no reason for a MWP (dwarven waraxe) to exist, right?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Can you actually take Martial WP (dwarven waraxe)? I don't think so, I think you always take Exotic WP (dwarven waraxe). If you are proficient with ALL martial weapons, that's when the special rule for dwarven waraxe and bastard sword kicks in. EWP removes the -4 anyway you use the waraxe, MWP removes it only when using it two-handed (at least speaking of medium characters), so there's no reason for a MWP (dwarven waraxe) to exist, right?

We're talking about dwarves, who have the Weapon Familiarity racial ability that means they can consider a Waraxe a martial weapon instead of an exotic weapon.

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

Hmm... exotic weapon master... twice strength bonus on damage to dwarven waraxe wielded twohanded... Mjam. Righteous Might (nerfed TM) and Divine Power and ...

 

[Li Shenron]

We're talking about dwarves, who have the Weapon Familiarity racial ability that means they can consider a Waraxe a martial weapon instead of an exotic weapon.

Ok, but that simply means that if you are a dwarf proficient with all martial weapons (e.g. a dwarf fighter), you are also already fully proficient (one-handed + two-handed) with the dwarven waraxe, no need to take a feat.

If you are a dwarf non-proficient with all martial weapons (e.g. dwarf cleric), you are fully unproficient with the dwarven waraxe, and if you want to become proficient you take Exotic WP with it.

Or is there a third possibility I am overlooking?

 

[Li Shenron]

...actually one different comes to my mind: that if you are a dwarven cleric and you can take Martial WP (dwarven waraxe), you don't need Str 13 and BAB +1. Maybe is that what you meant?

 

[Vrecknidj]

I am playing a dwarven cleric in a relatively new campaign and my solution to that problem was to take a level of fighter.

Dave

 

[Hypersmurf]

...actually one different comes to my mind: that if you are a dwarven cleric and you can take Martial WP (dwarven waraxe), you don't need Str 13 and BAB +1. Maybe is that what you meant?

Right.

Certainly the BAB prerequisite would be waived. I could see arguments either way about the Str prerequisite.

-Hyp.

 

[irdeggman]

Right.

Certainly the BAB prerequisite would be waived. I could see arguments either way about the Str prerequisite.

-Hyp.

True. I think I'd go with because of the commonality of the weapon in dwarven culture they wouldn't need the Str preq. Another way to look at it is that it could be attributed to their increased stability, although that logic could be used for a bastard sword as well.

Note that due to treating it as a martial weapon a dwarf never needs to use a dwarven waraxe 2 handed. If he has the martial weapon proficiency - dwarven waraxe then he additionally loses the -4 attack penalty. While other characters have to wield it with 2 hands if they have the martial weapon proficiency (usually not for dwarven waraxe since they would skip that and go right to exotic weapon proficiency instead.)

 

[sdt]

Why not allow the dwarf to pick a dwarven waraxe as his god's favorite weapon? The rules allow for non-standard worship; maybe the waraxe clerics don’t get along with the battle axe clerics. I don’t believe you need to shop the gods to get the weapon you want. I’d also allow an elf cleric with favored weapon long bow.