Eberron: Lord of Blades not that tough?

[Nightfall]

Emirikol, welcome to the folds of Nightfall, et al. May Eberron stay true to you, always.

And what's that supposed to mean...?

 

[Knight Otu]

What do you mean, "why"? Because people are saying that (to paraphrase) "the point of Eberron is that there's basically no one above 10th level". Not to call any specific poster(s) out onto the carpet, but are people lying or do they simply not know what they're talking about?

The "point" is, that there are almost no high-level allies for the characters. The best you'l find is an awakened tree druid who prefers to stay where he is, and the Keeper of the Flame, who pretty much has to stay where she is, or lose most of her power. High-level characters of dubious to antagonistic (not necessarily evil) nature are more common.

 

[Desdichado]

I'd say anyone claiming that the "point" of Eberron is that there is nobody higher than 10th level simply doesn't know what they're talking about. There are a fair amount of higher level PCs than that in the Sharn sourcebook.

Eberron certainly does have a different focus than, say, Forgotten Realms in terms of the expected life of a campaign, PC and what levels are most likely to be played. There's no call to run around saying either approach is idiotic, IMO.

Although I greatly prefer the Eberron paradigm on level, for what that's worth (very little.)

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I'd say anyone claiming that the "point" of Eberron is that there is nobody higher than 10th level simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

BS.

I said it first, and I stand by it.

The campaign setting is structured in such a way that there is not the "Archmage on every corner" situation that happens in some other settings.

Does this mean that there is literally nobody higher than 10th level in the entire Eberron multiverse?

Of course not, but then if that's what you read into that comment, you need your reading comprehension skills checked.

Are there dragons? Check. Beholders? Check. Ancient archwizards scheming for power? Check.

Is every kingdom ruled by an 18th-level Fighter, assisted by his 24th-level Court Wizard? No. Is every university staffed with 15th-level Diviners? No. Is every Dragonmarked House headed by a 17th-level Rogue? No.

*That* is the point I was addressing.

 

[Desdichado]

Well, that's not really the same point, though, is it? You'd be better served by trying to communicate your points clearly instead of insulting people who take what you say more or less at face value.

 

[Nightfall]

Josh,

I think your point would be better served if you just keep yelling. Apparently that's how this "issues" get solved.

Is the Lord of Blades tough? No. I've seen tougher. But he's tough for Eberron perhaps and that's fine. He could be MADE tougher depending on how people play Eberron. In any event your view is fine Josh. (Though my hope is to shift this kind of attention for Eberronic details to Scarred Lands when I get more things settled.)

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Well, that's not really the same point, though, is it? You'd be better served by trying to communicate your points clearly instead of insulting people who take what you say more or less at face value.

Hey - who invited the pedants?

 

[Eremite]

As a longtime FR player I call BS on the whole FR starting with low power. Elminster was statted up as a 26th levevl (or was it 19th) mage long before the FR setting ever came out with hints of other characters of vast power there long noted.

Well, call BS if you like but a single high-level NPC does not make a horde. The bulk of the NPCs were not uber-NPCs of the kind that are decried now. Also, if it weren't for the novels, I am sure there would have been even fewer. Of course, if it weren't for the novels, and their success, we probably wouldn't be playing later versions of D&D....

One of the other innovative (for the time) lower-power ideas in the Grey Box was that of not providing stats for the deities. Remember the first Greyhawk boxed set (which I loved, BTW; I am not one to slam Greyhawk)? A lot of the deities were statted up as "munchkin fodder".

 

[Piratecat]

Please keep your posts polite and without insults.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Well, call BS if you like but a single high-level NPC does not make a horde. The bulk of the NPCs were not uber-NPCs of the kind that are decried now. Also, if it weren't for the novels, I am sure there would have been even fewer. Of course, if it weren't for the novels, and their success, we probably wouldn't be playing later versions of D&D....

One of the other innovative (for the time) lower-power ideas in the Grey Box was that of not providing stats for the deities. Remember the first Greyhawk boxed set (which I loved, BTW; I am not one to slam Greyhawk)? A lot of the deities were statted up as "munchkin fodder".

Seven Sisters?

The Choosen?

Spellfire?

I'm not saying that you're 100% wrong in that there weren't as MANY high level NPC's, but the Forgotten Realms has always has it's powerful spellcasters about and many of them much more powerful than the default Greyhawk characters.

I am mistaken, or isn't is in the Grey box, they even talk about making certain characters at least five levels higher than the higher character in your campaign if you need to keep them in track?

And yeah, the Greyhawk gods were statted up. One of the first settings that was following the methods brought out by the Legend & Lore book (or was it before it... senility... arg!).