[Eberron] Warforged Origins - SPOILERS!

[Grymar]

Has anyone else thougth of the possibilities this brings up with the Dreaming Dark and the Lord of Blades? Hmmmmm....

 

[werk]

OK, thanks to "Secrets of Xen'drik" (which I got yesterday and browsed through) we now know that the original warforged were created by the quori in their war against the giants.

Still, these warforged seem to be ordinary constructs, with no intelligence or free will. So why does the new generation of warforged seem to have both of them? Just how did House Cannith alter their creation process? (It's probably significant that they only managed to get truly intelligent warforged at a later date, and that their first attempts were rather dim creatures like the Warforged Titans...)

Maybe the warforged made excellent hosts for the quori, so they were able to fight the giants without having to worry about rebellious slaves. Lacking the quori, House Cannith had to find other ways to power the machines, and that's where it all went wrong.

My character in the Eberron campaign that I play in has some of his own theories (He's from Cyre, now a refugee, and is a fairly intelligent cleric, LN). He thinks that the Cannites were breathing life into their constructs using actual life energies, or souls. Killing people to get their soul is really counterproductive to what they were trying to accomplish, so he also believes that the nature of the creation forge allowed them to basically acquire the souls on credit. That is, souls from the past or future, times other than the current, but primarily from the future, and due to their limited knowledge...the near future. Thirdly, he believes that a single warforged requires mutiple souls to animate, like 3 or 4. So the day of mourning was just Eberron calling in it's debts and balancing the books.

He loves warforged, though. Any warforged on the street could be his dead mother, or father, or sister that all died on That Day. He's just very opposed to trying to make new 'forged, and will do everything possible to prevent that mistake from happening again.

 

[Vocenoctum]

A couple things;
1) It's important to remember that Dal Quor has rebooted since then. The current Quori are as in the dark about Xen Drik as just about everyone, so they know little of the Warforged origins.
2) Dreaming Dark is Keith Bakers trilogy of novels. Book two, Shattered Lands is set in Xen Drik for the most part, and stuff will be touched on in book 3 I'm sure.


Werk> my idea was that warforged are animated by Incarnum, I think Magic of Incarnum had living constructs in it also.

 

[hbarsquared]

So the day of mourning was just Eberron calling in it's debts and balancing the books.

That idea is... awesome.

 

[Tzarevitch]

Interesting. In my game I made it the other way around, the giants having created warforged because an army of warriors who don't sleep would be perfect for use against enemies who can invade and attack you in your dreams.

That is my logic too. It just makes more sense. Why would creatures that live in dreams use minions that don't dream? Your are building the seeds of your own destruction because you can't mind control them. It just doen't ring true to me. Unsleeping warriors built to fight creatures that attack your dreams however; THAT makes more sense.

I plan on using the quorcraft as experimental quori knock-offs of the originals (originals being those like the one at the end of the Grasp of the Emerald Claw module).


Tzarevitch

 

[JohnSnow]

So the day of mourning was just Eberron calling in it's debts and balancing the books.

That idea is... awesome.

What's funny is that I had a very similar idea. GMTA I guess.

Actually, if you think about it, it makes a certain amount of sense. The Mourning has to have SOMETHING to do with Cyre. To have it be the unintended result of House Cannith's efforts to prolong the Last War is just...well, it's cool is what it is.

Or, maybe Cannith opened a gateway to the realm of dreams to get the spirits it needed to power Warforged. That gateway got out of control, seeped into the real world and Cyre was forced to use some magical shield to close it...fortunately confining the Mourning to Cyre alone.

As an aside, one of the things I like about Eberron is that providing the answer to one mystery just creates a dozen more...

That's just cool.

 

[Vocenoctum]

That is my logic too. It just makes more sense. Why would creatures that live in dreams use minions that don't dream? Your are building the seeds of your own destruction because you can't mind control them. It just doen't ring true to me. Unsleeping warriors built to fight creatures that attack your dreams however; THAT makes more sense.

I like the Quori doing it because I like the idea of Docents housing Quori spirits that control the host 'forged. I can also see the giants wanting the unsleeping warriors. It's pretty easy to see that whichever invented them, the other copied them quickly as there's advantages for each side.

 

[MarkB]

??

Close, but not quite.

 

[Stone Dog]

And an interior...

 

[Jürgen Hubert]

Those are ordinary (current design) warforged. Most of them would be warforged who switched allegiance to the Lord of Blades with the end of the Last War, and a few others may have been made by the LoB's barely functional forge.

There's no reason at all for these warforged to be different from regular warforged.

Didn't that rumor specify that those warforged were independent from those produced by House Cannith?

I'll have to look that up again...