Eden Studios Adds Drive-Thru Window

[Crothian]

Funksaw.
If we remove the DRM, but keep the prices the same will that make you buy the PDFs?

Will any of you naysayers buy them or are you all just saying you will but wont speak with your wallet?

Well, I'm not a naysayer to the format, but it is the prices that are keeping me away. To be fair though I have a good number of Eden books in print and it would be nice to also have electronic format of the books to use. I know it would be hard, but it'd be really good if you could somehow reduce the price of the pdf books for those of us who have them in print. I'm not expecting that because I imagine it would be tough to prove and monitor.

 

[isidorus]

Thanks for the answer George.

Lol, if your Drm free, I have to get a credit card so I can put my money where my mouth is. Sigh, I never owned one always paid cash, I listened to Grandfather way to much.

 

[Tsyr]

Funksaw.
If we remove the DRM, but keep the prices the same will that make you buy the PDFs?

Will any of you naysayers buy them or are you all just saying you will but wont speak with your wallet?

Just speaking for myself...

Yes.

Off of the top of my head, I would buy (Probably not all at once, I'm not rich, but over a fairly short duration:

The Magic Box
Fiends of Blood
Secrets of the Ancients
Armageddon

After consideration (I've not managed to get any players interested in Witchcraft yet, though I love it), I would probably also wind up purchasing both the Abomination and the Mystery Codex for Witchcraft.

 

[2WS-Steve]

Funksaw.
If we remove the DRM, but keep the prices the same will that make you buy the PDFs?

Will any of you naysayers buy them or are you all just saying you will but wont speak with your wallet?

Well, in my case I was inches away from buying Fields of Blood last night. But just too nervous about DRM imposing a de facto expiration date if DTRPG goes under or Adobe does a software update.

While I'm glad that DTRPG has made clear how many computers I can register a PDF on, the limitation that you can only register on 6 computers before you start needing to call Adobe to cancel old registrations is too much hassle for me to deal with.

Something like Fields of Blood, or really, any RPG book, is a product I plan to use, albeit occasionally, for a long time. And I see 6 registrations as limiting convenient usability to roughly 6 years given a laptop and desktop that I upgrade fairly frequently. Our gaming group used Dungeon adventures from the early 80's up until 3rd edition (and even longer). I still prefer Shadowrun 1st edition--and with d20 books I can see their utility lasting at least another ten years if not longer.

For my part, I like having a sizable collection of game books. They're fun to buy and leaf through, or pull up occasionally in Acrobat--and, while I might not be able to fit a recent purchase into my game, I like having the resource available so that sometime down the line when my players hit the point that they're running a kingdom, or I want to run an Old West game, or finally try out that old module, I have the material to make that both convenient and fun. And that means that I often dip into my library of pretty old books--something that I have a significant worry about with the current model of DRM being used.

 

[Tsyr]

Something like Fields of Blood, or really, any RPG book, is a product I plan to use, albeit occasionally, for a long time. And I see 6 registrations as limiting convenient usability to roughly 6 years given a laptop and desktop that I upgrade fairly frequently. Our gaming group used Dungeon adventures from the early 80's up until 3rd edition (and even longer). I still prefer Shadowrun 1st edition--and with d20 books I can see their utility lasting at least another ten years if not longer.

In my case, it would be even worse...

Provided, of course, DRM even worked on Linux and my PDA...

If it did, figure 2 years, tops.

 

[Henry]

Funksaw.
If we remove the DRM, but keep the prices the same will that make you buy the PDFs?

Will any of you naysayers buy them or are you all just saying you will but wont speak with your wallet?

From the top of my head:

I've never seen a whole lot from Eden studios in my area, so I really can't say much about your d20 products (or even if you have them), but the Buffy game is one I've thought about getting, but don't feel like going through the trouble of ordering it. A download, however, is another matter.


For non-Eden Products:

Children of the Rune - Awesome deal for $4.00, Been looking forward to Monte's/Mike's/Ed's short stories for a while now for more Diamond Throne flavor, and $4.00 for a novel I can read a few pages at a time is a cool thing for me.

Monte Cook's new Book of Iron Might is his next PDF I was considering. I've bought Monte's PDF's at least one per quarter since 2001.

I've NEVER seen Marc Miller's Traveller Original, and the existance of it as PDF now means that I could buy a copy to at least have if I never even got to play it. It's a piece of gaming history, and a source of some good ideas.

Heck, I'd possibly even buy the Gamma World player's guide. You get my point.

 

[johnsemlak]

mispost, sorry

 

[francisca]

Funksaw.
If we remove the DRM, but keep the prices the same will that make you buy the PDFs?

Will any of you naysayers buy them or are you all just saying you will but wont speak with your wallet?

I will. Fields of Blood would be one of the many I'd buy, over a 2-4 month period, depending on other expenses.

George, you can take that to the bank.

And if Necro put up more books, unencumbered by DRM, I'd be buying even more. I already have all of the FFG I want, in print.

But, we'll probably never know, as it looks like DRM is entrenched and not going anywhere.

 

[Funksaw]

Funksaw.
If we remove the DRM, but keep the prices the same will that make you buy the PDFs?

Will any of you naysayers buy them or are you all just saying you will but wont speak with your wallet?

George, over the past week, I've spent $15 on Guardians of Order PDF stuff from RPGnow (before they became DRMed at the same price) and I've spent $8 on Mutants and Masterminds PDF stuff. Of course I'll BUY stuff. Hell, I really want to buy In The Pit, because my FLGS/Comic shop can't get it.

I really wish I could honestly tell you that I'd go "hell yeah" and buy the products once the DRM was removed, but the DRM is only the first barrier to market. The second is price - now, frankly, high prices aren't something to boycott you for and that'd get me to buy Eden Print stuff again, but, prices being as high as they are (and you admittedly intentionally priced them so that getting the print books would be the better value,) I can't see buying stuff from DTRPG at those high prices. There are two exceptions: 1) In the Pit - which is just SO damn tempting you wouldn't believe how much I want to give into the evils of DRM and pick it up at $2. (Mostly because comics are small enough and text-light enough that you can read them without having to print them out, which kills that cost for me. Besides, I prefer RGB to CYMK anyday.) 2) I *might* pick up future issues of Eden Studios Presents at the price you have because if I only pick it up for two or three articles, I only have to print out those articles, and only then if there's some sort of game I have to take it to. It's just that the first issue doesn't really offer a whole lot that I'd be interested in. I can't guarantee a sale, but I can guarantee that you'd at least have me looking from month to month. Magazine formats are particularly suited to PDF publication for this reason.

I really don't know what to say, George. I can tell you that I can and do buy non DRMed PDF material when I want the product offered and it's priced reasonably. There's stuff on RPGnow that I don't get because I think it's too expensive, too... I can't think of any offhand, but I'm sure that they're there.

To answer your question: Offer a good product at a reasonable price in a way that lets me use it, then, well, yeah, I'd buy.

 

[Funksaw]

That was a bit rambly, so let me cut to the chase:

You would get a guaranteed sale of In The Pit from me this month and every month if you removed the DRM. The other stuff is a possibility if you want to haggle.