Effect's duration and unconscious/death

[Banon]

I have a few questions with regard to how long effects on players actually last. If a player falls unconscious, do daily effects on them wear off? How about if they die? Example:

My Feymore crocodile swallows the Warlock pc, who has Armor of Agathys on(1d6, or 2d6 if cursed, damage to adjacent enemies). Now the Warlock slowly dies to 10 ongoing damage from being devoured, but the Armor of Agathys is also wearing down on my croc. The Warlock eventually falls unconscious, and subsequently dies. But is that Armor still on?!? Will my Croc die of dire indigestion?

 

[deleteme123456]

I asked a similar question about marks and got no helpful responses. In general, I would argue that conditions you caused expire when you fall unconscious, simply because you get into odd situations otherwise, like if you mark a creature until the end of your next turn but fall unconscious before then, should it really take a penalty for not attacking you? What if you die from massive damage and never have another turn?

 

[GorTeX]

many powers stop when you fall unconcious and/or die.

But usually, the power will last until the end of the encounter or 5 minutes (unless the power specifically states it lasts longer)

 

[Banon]

The Armor of Agathys doesn't specify anything about wearing when unconscious, hence the crocodile's dilema about a dead warlock in his stomach. I kinda like infocynic's interpretatoin, because he is right that a fighter could dragonbreath half a dozen enemies, and then perform Hari-Kari on himself, landing a permanent -2 to attacks on all parties involved if you go by the books.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I kinda like infocynic's interpretatoin, because he is right that a fighter could dragonbreath half a dozen enemies, and then perform Hari-Kari on himself, landing a permanent -2 to attacks on all parties involved if you go by the books.

Well...
The end of your turn always takes place, even if you’re unconscious...

So unless he manages to get himself to negative-bloodied in a single attack, he will be unconscious next turn, and "the end of his next turn" will occur, and the marks will expire.

Even if he does manage to actually die, I'm not convinced that "the end of his next turn" will not occur next round...

-Hyp.

 

[deleteme123456]

Enemies don't get death saving throws; when they're down, they're down (minor exceptions apply). What if a Kobold Dragonshield marks the Fighter and then the Fighter kills the Kobold before the mark expires?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Enemies don't get death saving throws; when they're down, they're down (minor exceptions apply). What if a Kobold Dragonshield marks the Fighter and then the Fighter kills the Kobold before the mark expires?

I'm not convinced that "the end of his next turn" will not occur next round...

-Hyp.

 

[firesnakearies]

I'm not really sure why people debate the precise minutiae of "the RAW" in cases where the spirit and intention of the rules is patently obvious given even the smallest application of reason.

No one could rationally think that it's intended that the effects of a marked condition persist beyond the marker's death.

I know that you can wordsmith all kinds of things in the rulebooks, you can over-literalize to the point of all sorts of wild absurdities. But in a lot of these cases, it's clear what the rules are supposed to be.

Infinite oregano is great comedy, but when people try to seriously argue such cases, it just makes me roll my eyes.

 

[Hypersmurf]

No one could rationally think that it's intended that the effects of a marked condition persist beyond the marker's death.

Well, Conjurations and Zones explicitly end with the creator's death. But they're the only powers that do.

Most marks expire at the end of the marker's next turn, so in most cases, after you die your mark won't last more than a round anyway (assuming end of turn continues to occur while dead, as it does while unconscious).

The Pathfinder paragon path's Slasher's Mark lasts until the end of the encounter, though, and I don't see any reason that should end before that occurs - it's neither a Conjuration nor a Zone, so it doesn't end with his death. It will end after five minutes, or at the next rest.

A Paladin's Divine Challenge mark lasts until he fails to engage... so as long as the marked target remains adjacent to the body, the mark should persist even after death. If the target moves even one square away, though, the dead Paladin will fail to engage that round, and the mark will end.

-Hyp.

 

[Jhaelen]

A Paladin's Divine Challenge mark lasts until he fails to engage... so as long as the marked target remains adjacent to the body, the mark should persist even after death.

And how exactly does the dead paladin continue to engage the marked target?

It seems like you're arguing that the turtle really is faster than Achilles...