Elves are Broken :p

[Gez]

Here's what I propose to adress this: Each level in a NPC class also brings in a supplementary LA +1.

So, a 2nd-level elf commoner is ECL 4.

And the 20th-level commoner is ECL 40.

 

[Wicht]

Okay, look at it this way...

Why is hunting a deer a challenge?

I don't see why doing the same thing over and over should garner any experience.

Hunting a deer with a bow is a bit of a challenge.

Should killing goblins over and over again garner any experience, or only the first 5 or so?

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Okay, look at it this way...

Why is hunting a deer a challenge?

I don't see why doing the same thing over and over should garner any experience.

I'm with Vaxalon on this one.

After the first couple of times, there's not really much to learn from the experience of shooting a deer unawares from a couple hundred yards away with a longbow.

If that elf villager was a PC, would you award him full xp every time, if all he ever did was shoot deer with no risk to himself? Frankly, whether it's deer or kobolods, I think you'd quickly tell a player to find new ways to challenge himself if he wanted to gain any xp.

I simply wouldn't be giving them enough xp to level up beyond 2nd level or so.


Wulf

 

[alsih2o]

Hunting a deer with a bow is a bit of a challenge.

Should killing goblins over and over again garner any experience, or only the first 5 or so?

check the tables, after a whle you get no xp from them

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Hunting a deer with a bow is a bit of a challenge.

Well, so is forging a longsword, singing a song, or training a horse-- but within the context of the game, they're not worth any xp.

Using skills isn't worth xp, only dropping those big fleshy bags of xp-- which is a shame, but that's another discussion.

Just because something is challenging does not mean it has to be worth xp.

Hell, I should get xp for getting out of bed every morning.

Should killing goblins over and over again garner any experience, or only the first 5 or so?

It's contextual, I think. You're the DM, you know when it is worth xp and when it isn't.

Wulf

 

[Pyske]

I believe you're taking things to their "logical conclusion" in the same way Xeno did. Fortunately, since the arrows will never arrive at their target, you need never worry about awarding XP.

. . . . . . . -- Eric

 

[WombleHunter]

Hell, I should get xp for getting out of bed every morning.

Another way to look at it: if you didn't get out of bed, then you wouldn't be doing anything that earns you xp in any case (unless, I suppose, the goblins broke down your door and you killed them from the prone position).

 

[PeterMikelsons]

Hunting a deer with a bow is a bit of a challenge.

Should killing goblins over and over again garner any experience, or only the first 5 or so?

IMHO, the D&D rules intend to award experience for overcoming challenges where you have a risk of losing something, usually your life, but at least some hit points and potions. If all you risk losing are some arrows while sniping at a doe, that's not a challenge in the D&D sense.

If a deer is CR 1, it is much more challenging than real world deer. CR 1 animals in the SRD include riding dogs, light horses, hyenas, medium vipers, and wolves, all serious threats to level 1 types. If the elves are hunting things that tough, they probably team up and gain experience slower. Or they hunt alone and have a high death rate, but the survivors are around 9th level.

If you lower the CR of deer to nil, then the hunters can still gain significant experience from avoiding things that might hunt them in the forest (see above and the rest of the monster manual), but the gearhead DM can tune the frequency of those encounters to make the hunters whatever level is desired.

(Disclaimer: I agree with Hong about the futility of this sort of exercise, but it is still fun to post about for me.)

 

[John Q. Mayhem]

I think that general "hunting" is covered under Wilderness Lore/Survival, and thus grants no XP. Problem Solved.

 

[Arnwyn]

Okay, look at it this way...

Why is hunting a deer a challenge?

I don't see why doing the same thing over and over should garner any experience.

I totally agree with that assessment.

(I am also a little astounded that a deer would be CR 1. Sounds like a very poor conversion to me, and I'd seriously question that.)