Enlarge Person with Large humanoids Added: Expansion discussion

[Jeremy]

Indeed. ^_^

I liked the part where both combatants got to enter the grapple freely because the dragon had already begun grappling with Orson. Tactical mistake lizard breath.

 

[darthkilmor]

I had a slightly similar experience with enlarge person, was playing a game as a Yak Folk Sorc1/MonkX grappler, we ruled enlarge person would work for me(what do monstrous humanoids do with all those spells that only target humanoids but research their own version that only works on monstrous humanoids), so first thing every combat or before every combat I would size up to Huge, which is extremely handy as it also increases the damage you're doing(also let me take improved natural attack, which is another can o' worms on here), and 15 ft natural reach is just handy. Didnt play the campaign for very long, and i'm sure it was a suboptimal build, but it was fun to have, i think, +22 to grapple checks at a roughly ecl 10 and be 15 ft tall

Was it overpowered? Most likely yes. Would I as a DM allow a PC that was a large to use enlarge person? Not as a 1st level spell. Maybe as a general 3rd or 4th level spell that simply imcreased target a size catagory, regardless of type. (which would be pretty neat actually....hmmmm).

 

[Nail]

Would I as a DM allow a PC that was a large to use enlarge person? Not as a 1st level spell.

The key point.



Enlarge Person (as is) is arguably a 2nd level spell already. Allowing a version that gets a size Large creature to Huge is higher level still.

 

[Nail]

Building on that: I *think* that reducing the duration to 1 round per level would bring it back down to reasonable-ness. (And adding a condition that a magic item made from it has an extra cost to compensate for the original spell casting time.)

 

[Arknath]

This particular character also is a psychic warrior and something I've been wondering. Expansion does not have a limit on who it can be used on. Granted the caster has to be a psychic warrior, but if they are (as in this case) and they are large, this is the same problem. Is expansion broken as it is?

 

[Slaved]

The biggest advantage of enlarge person is that for a medium creature it can give reach. Otherwise there are some other bonuses and a lot of penalties.

So with that, is increasing from large to huge that much of a deal? If you are using the actual size penalties instead of what the spell says (does anyone do this?) then you are not doing a lot. You may get more movement related attacks of opportunity but anyone who was coming after you that would provoke in the first place is no better or worse off, you still only get the single extra attack on them no matter how much of your threat range they walk through.

I think that both the spell and the power need to be rewritten though. They need to take into account the size that you start from and the size you end up as instead of what they do now.

 

[Nail]

They need to take into account the size that you start from and the size you end up as instead of what they do now.

Agreed.

Not each change in size is the same increase in power. Small to medium, anyone?

 

[ElectricDragon]

Don't forget that with Expansion, not only can it affect any creature type; but also it can be augmented to increase the size by up to two size categories (Large to Gargantuan). This is a personal power but it can be put into a psionic tattoo that can be given to anyone.

Ciao
Dave

 

[The_Ditto]

This particular character also is a psychic warrior and something I've been wondering. Expansion does not have a limit on who it can be used on. Granted the caster has to be a psychic warrior, but if they are (as in this case) and they are large, this is the same problem. Is expansion broken as it is?

No, because it works just fine as is (generally with more cost to get the same affect as Enlarge person) and for shorter duration .. (unless you start paying for it as if it were a higher level power ..

Think: Ogre Psychic Warrior or Half-Ogre Psychic Warrior ...
He doesn't break it ... he has fun with it ...
No, Expansion is more expensive than enlarge person .. you putting out more resources to get that +1 size for the same duration as Enlarge person, or more cost to get +2 size ...

Cheers!

 

[Arknath]

Ah...thanks a bunch guys!!