ENnies for miniatures?

[Ghostwind]

To make it work, within the restrictions of the GenCon deal, would be to make a new category of minis that HAVE to be RPG-related - thus not allowing clix minis, D&D minis, and minis designed for wargames.

(did I mention my wife and I have been brainstorming this since Origins?)

So, for example, a line of miniatures that directly supports an RPG, such as Magnificent Egos new Iron Heroes line to support Monte Cook's Iron Heroes RPG would fall under this category?

 

[francisca]

only if they are lead or tin.

diaglo "been playing with minis since before he could talk" Ooi

Well, the lead certainly explains a lot.

 

[francisca]

To make it work, within the restrictions of the GenCon deal, would be to make a new category of minis that HAVE to be RPG-related - thus not allowing clix minis, D&D minis, and minis designed for wargames.

(did I mention my wife and I have been brainstorming this since Origins?)

So, the Reaper Exhalted minis, YES, but Reaper Warlord minis, NO?

Mmmmm...

 

[HellHound]

Yes, I believe that is how it would have to be implemented if a minis category were to be seperated from the accessories category.

HOWEVER, please note that I am but an observer here, and have never seen the rules and agreements with GenCon, I'm just the guy who brainstorms stuff with Dextra, the business manager this year.

Basically, however, the way *I* see it from our conversations, Ghostwind and Fracisca are right on the money for what we've been talking about. The ENnies -cannot- judge minis games, wargames, etc... so everything has to be directly RPG-related to be open for judging.

For example, minis from Games Workshop would not be eligible because they are for mini wargames, even though there are also RPG product lines they work with (such as the Warhamster FRP).

That said, if there were to be an additional category for minis, IMO it would have to be ONE category, not a whole set of them. The list above would increase the number of awards at the ENnies to almost twice as many as there currently are... from 18 awards to 32. At that point, it would go from the ENnie RPG Awards to the ENnie Miniature Awards.

 

[theRogueRooster]

So even though you would be judging a mini on it's merits as a roleplaying aid, the fact that it is originally intended for use in a minis game disqualifies it? Just seems counter intuitive to me, since it isn't the minis game being judged, just the mini itself. Can't a product be "dual-use"? Reaper's Warlord line comes to mind, as I collected their minis for D&D long before I ever decided to try out their game.

-tRR

 

[RangerWickett]

Thing is, you can /only/ use Reaper minis for RPGs. The D&D Minis game comes with its own rules, and it's not a roleplaying game. It'd be like us considering the old Dragon Dice game. Sure, you can use the dice in your own roleplaying game, but it's clearly intended to be its own beast.

 

[Cthulhu's Librarian]

Thing is, you can /only/ use Reaper minis for RPGs.

Nope, not true. Reaper has the Warlord rules for miniature wargames, and the old out of print Dark Heaven rules.

 

[RangerWickett]

Okay then. I admit I'm not well versed in minis. Never saw a use for them myself. But do the Reaper mini rules come included with each mini? It seems like the Reaper minis are made for general RPGs, and the mini rules were created as a little bonus, whereas D&D Minis were envisioned from the get-go to be for their own game, with the added boon that you can use them otherwise.

Basically, though, the distinction is difficult, which is why I think we shouldn't do minis in the ENnies.

 

[Crothian]

This is something that really will be discussed in the off season, but I think a mhjor point will be on what the primary focus of the mini is. Sure, any mini can be used in RPGs, but we want to minis who's primary focus are RPGs.

 

[Jack of Shadows]

This is something that really will be discussed in the off season, but I think a mhjor point will be on what the primary focus of the mini is. Sure, any mini can be used in RPGs, but we want to minis who's primary focus are RPGs.

I think this will be a giant can of worms given the restriction you have to dance around.

For example take Rackham, they will be releasing miniatures to support their upcoming Cadwallen RPG. Do doubt these miniatures, while released for the rpg, will also have stat cards for Confrontation (and by default Ragnarok) and Hybrid. So is the model elligible?

Does the fact that a manufacturer has created a rules set, ala Warlord, for one of their miniature lines when the majority of customers use the line for roleplaying get the line automatically excluded?

How do you determine if a model is primarily for roleplaying or for example collecting or painting?

More interestingly, how do you distinguish between some skirmish games and RPGs? I think I could easily argue that something like Mordhiem is an RPG.

All in all a very slippery slope to tread. Good luck.

Jack