ENnies V - and beyond...

I haven't had time to read the entire thread, but I personally think the ENnies are doing just fine. Even though my book, "Village of Oester" did not win in the Best Adventure category, it at least got the recognition it deserved from the judges. I think there may have been better organized voting by other publishers this year, but at least the nominations turned out pretty good.

The only suggestion that I may have is that voting be restricted to registered members of EN World. This is after all, the ENnies. Sure, it's great if we can get new people to the site through the voting, but shouldn't they have to register?

Also, if I may, I think the rating system should be narrowed down to a "1 to 5" star rating. The "10" system is too wide, in my opinion. Why not follow the same rating system used in the reviews section right here on the Web site?
 
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After thinking about it last night, I'm concerned that the award *show* is driving the awards, rather than the EN World community.

I don't think that's a good thing.

Since I have never had the opportunity to attend the ENnies ceremony (or Gen*Con for that matter), maybe I can't appreciate the arguments being made here.

I think everyone involved (or, perhaps Morris :) ) needs to determine if this is how they want it to be (where the ceremony dictates the type of awards).

Personally, I'd be happy with no ceremony and only d20/D&D awards. (In case you couldn't tell. :) )
 
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Dextra you are an angel... ;)

You've put a lot of thought into this and have covered most of the bases I wanted to cover once I have recovered from Gen Con... I will hopefully have more time later on this week/weekend to address your thoughts as some of the ideas you have put forth were ones I had had and others have their reasons for not occuring during this year's ENnies... primarily due to this being my first time running an awards ceremony and the lack of a budget. ;)

I'll put my two cents in a bit later once I've had some more time to mull everything over.

Thanks,
 

I'm late getting to reply to this thread, but I've got some thoughts that I want to share, and some replies to previous posts.

Psion said:
All of this years judges that I am aware of (am not sure about Rich) are familiar with other games.
Yes, I'm familiar with lots of other games. Currantly, I primarily play d20 games, but thats primarily because of the other people that I play with, not because I only play d20. I'm quite happy to sit down to GURPS, Buffy, Call of Cthulhu, Tri-Stat, RISUS, Fudge, or whatever happens to be at the table.

Most of the rest of these replies are to Dextra's posts. I have to agree with much of what she says, although I do have some differences of opinion, having been on the inside of the judging this year.

Overall
-the ENnies needs a mission statement (and that the role between it and ENWorld be clarified). This is the most important factor. Once there's a mission statement, everything else has to toe that line, and decisions will be easier.
Yes. One of the top priorities if the ENnies are to go on and be successful

-GenCon LLC already supports the ENnies financially. The ENnies gain legitimacy and attention because they are also the GenCon awards (nobody had heard of them before, really), and the ENnies give GenCon an award system already set up with voting mechanics. It's a fairly balanced give-take. Thus, insisting that GC bankroll the whole thing is unrealistic. GC and the ENnies should share in expenses.
Well, GenCon supports the ENnies on site, but their is very little responsibility on their part to make sure that the things that need to be done are done. We had to fight to get our badges this year, and apparently the same thing happened last year. Nobody in the GenCon organization seems to know who or what the ENnies are. Those that have heard of us put us at the bottom of the priority pile. If they want us to be their awards, then maybe we should take be ranked as high as the other events that they support.

-as I see it, the main expenses are the trophy creation & shipping, shipping of the products to the judges, the awards ceremony itsself, and promotion/advertising (including booth hardware). Not counting the awards ceremony, right there that's at least a $1K investment.
Yes, easily over $1000. But there are some ways to fix some of this. Publishers shipping directly to the judges would take care of a sizable chunk of that $.

-non-profit status: just means a lot of pain in the ass paperwork, accounting, and legal fees. You don't have to be a not-for-profit group to accept donations. In Canada, if the ENnies were a non-profit group, I could point to some funding/grant possibilities, but I have zero clue about US regs. Then again, there's nothing saying that the ENnies would have to be registered in the US of A. But honestly, I don't see the expense time, money, and energy-wise to be worth it.
While a good idea, and one that I have thought about, I don't know who would want to spearhead this. And where does the $ to get incorporated as non-profit come from in the first place?

-my suggestion is, let ENP take over the management of the awards. We could come up with the money to split costs with GenCon. We have the staff and experience to plan and execute events. We can't participate in the ENnies, anyhow (/me pouts), so why not let us get involved elsewhere? Or do the publishers think that there might be some weird bias?
I have no problems with this at all. If you want the job, I'm all for it, and would be very happy to help out however I can.

--an entry fee: $10-$20/publisher, plus an additional $2-$5/additional product submitted- that'd defray the shipping & award costs
I don't like the ideaof an entry fee, although I can see how it will help in the funding. My biggest concern is if it would keep some publishers from entering. We received many items from small publishers, and I don't know if they would have entered if there was a fee for entry.

--an ENnies mingler/gala fundraiser just before the ceremony: collect event tickets for a cocktail reception with food (keep the ceremony free, but this way people can get in early and secure good seats and hang out with the nominees)
I like it.

--shipping the products directly to the judges. This helps keep costs down, although I don't know if it is appropriate for the publishers to be contacting the judges directly. Questions of propriety are raised- did a publisher slip in some money or other bribery?
I think this is going to be the way to go in the future. As for bribery, is it going to be an issue? The big SF awards have the books sent directly to the judges. When I worked at HarperCollins, we received a list of the judges for all the awards (Hugo, Nebula, World Fantasy, World Horror, etc) and shipped a package to each judge containing all the books that were eligible. If the big awards can do it that way, so can we.

--having 7 copies of each product (5 for the judges, 1 for Russ as is already, plus 1 extra copy). The extra copies could be bundled and auctioned off.
I think that we need to have a file copy of all the entries kept in a library somewhere. If that's Russ's collection, so be it. But a collection of all the entries, or at minimum all the final nominees, is somehting that really should be done.

I'll get to Dextra's other two posts shortly.
 


And more replies:

-I like the current method of selecting judges, and the fact that they are selected by ENWorlders. I think that a judge can stay on as long as he/she gets votes. I like the nominations process, the works.
I like the system as well, but I can understand others points as well. However, at the core, the awards are still the ENnies, and ENWorld is the main sponsor of the awards. It's not the RPGNeties, not the Gamingreporties, not the Nothinglandies. ENWorld takes the responsibility for putting on the awards, and the judges should come from here until someone else steps up and takes on the cost of producing the show and awards.
-Seeing as how we now have the mechanic to cast your vote for only the products with which you are familiar, and seeing as how there seem to be a gazillion entrants now, howsabout opening up the nominations to 10 products? It might make things easier on the judges in the narrowing-down process, and let the fan votes decide...
Ugh. 10 products? No way. That would make for some bad decisions. In some categories this year we didn't have 10 entries. That would mean allowing all the entries in, even if they aren't very good. No, I say leave it at 5, and if there are some categories where there needs to be a runoff among the judges, then allow 6 (this would take care of the Honorable Mention concerns mentioned by some people).

-after a product is nominated, a written letter as well as email should be sent to the publisher/individual in question stating congratulations, what the voting process entails and when it will be begin, the date of the awards ceremony, requesting 25-50 words describing the product & company and 1-3 images (company logo, product shot, one other photo) to be used in a slideshow and/or other promotional material, and an rsvp of approximately how many attendees are expected for the ceremony (so there can be reserved seating up front for the nominees), etc. Be certain to include contact information for the ceremony
Yes! By all means, yes. AFAIK Joseph sent an email to all the nominated publishers, but we had to scramble to find addresses for a few of them this year. Having them provide images would certainly make the slide presentation easier to put together, and the booth presentation as well.

-I don't like the idea of distinguishing between sizes of companies. It's too arbitrary, and then takes away the satisfaction of a little guy trouncing the big boys.
No, don't split them by size. If they are good, they are good, regardless of company size.

-I don't like the idea of the categories being carved in stone. Yes, it would be nice to have some consistency from year to year, but I like fluidity and adaptability.
I think there needs to be a core group of awards that are given every year, with the others changing as the market dictates on a year by year basis.

-lose the best official web site category. It's just another form of advertising- do we award commercials, or magazine ads? If there's lots of cool material on the site, then submit the site for the best freebie category.
Maybe. I kind of like this category. Many official websites are not just a place to advertise, but are a community and source of good information.

-lose the licensed product category, Best Non-d20 Adventure, Best Non-d20 Supplement, Best Non-d20 Game and Best Non-d20 Setting or Setting Sourcebook (in other words, let them be judged in the same vein as everybody else).
Yes, I agree. I championed the Licensed category this year, and some of the other judges said it shouldn't be there. I persisted, and we had the category. Looking back, we probably shouldn't have, but thats ok. The other categories can all be combines with the main category (adventure, setting, etc) and all be judged together. For most of these categories, the only difference is the mechanics, ie. an adventure is still an adventure.

-I don't like the Best Revision/Update/Compilation category. Lose it, and shuffle the products into the appropriate other categories.
With the amount of revised books this year, some of us felt it was a good category to have. Next year may be different, and not necessary.

-to keep with the feeling that this started off as a d20 awards ceremony, and thanks to the online community, I think that the fan site, best d20, and electronic product categories should remain sacrosanct.
I agree completely. This is where the awards started, and they should remain a presence in the awards, regardless of the other awards that may change.

-Personally, I'd almost consider best Fantasy, Modern, and Future/Sci-Fi categories. But it seems like a big administrative nightmare. Discuss.
No. There is far to much overlap. Just for example, suppose next year SJG releases a new edition of Cthulhupunk. Where does it go? Horror or SF? What about something like Dragonstar-SF or Fantasy? Delta Green-Horror or Modern? What about GURPS? Where does the whole system go?

-I would also like to see the return of the Peer's Choice Award: let each publisher, ENnies judge, Russ, Eric Noah, and Peter Adkison have a vote.
Yes. It's unfortunate that the award wasn't given this year, but that was out of our control. I'd love to see it return next year.

1. Best Aid or Accessory
2. Best Cartography
3. Best Art (Cover)
4. Best Art (Interior)
5. Best Graphic Design & Layout

6. Best Adventure
7. Best Setting Supplement
8. Best Campaign Setting
9. Best Rules Supplement
10. Best Monster Supplement

11. Best Free Product or Web Enhancement
12. Best Electronic Product (not free)
13. Best Fan Site

14. Best d20 Game
15. Best Publisher (Overall)
16. Peer Award
I like the list, but I'd even consider combining Setting & Setting Supplement into one category.
 

And finally, the last batch of replies to Dextra:
-I liked having the one MC rather than switching from group to group like last year. Sure, it was neat to see some of the peeps, but it slowed things down considerably. However, if we could get some celebrity-types, perhaps they could speak up.
Yes, i though that having one MC worked out very well. As for celebrity types, the judges have discussed it, and are already hard at work on a suprise for next year. It looks good right now, and hopefully we can pull it off. ;)

BTW, our MC was one of the Dead Gentlemen. I'd like to thank them very much for stepping up to the plate for us.

-I missed the slide show. For those not in the know, SpoonyBard's laptop went foom, hence, no show. Next year, let's just bring a CD (or two) with the content so this doesn't happen again.
Yes, by all means, next year the slides need to be done ahead of schedule, and we need multiple back up copies on CD ready to go. A busted laptop shouldn't killthe show. The time Michael put into the show was wasted, and I don't want to see that happen again next year.

-Image: the presenter, MC, judges, and any other staff who will be on stage should be dressed in at least semi-formal attire. Let's show the world that they can take us seriously. Change into your party clothes after, or just go out in your suit. The ladies at the Red Garter wouldn't mind, I'm sure.
Yes, please. I made an effort to haul nice clothes to Indy with me, and I felt a bit let down by some of the other guys. :( Nothing wrong with being comfortable, but I would have liked to see all 5 of the judges up there looking our best. Anyone who comes on stage (presenters, announcements, etc) really should make an effort to look nice. As for afterwards, I know I went to the Red Garter wearing my tie...

-Timing: Don't try to schedule the awards for the same night that White Wolf is having a huge event. *I* almost ditched the ENnies for the WW party! Let's check with WW and WotC and GenCon to try and avoid such scheduling snafus in the future. I know there are only so many evenings during the con, but let's at least try and make the effort.
the scheduling was completely up to GenCon, we had no say whatsoever in the time/date.

-post-show party. If we keep the same space, how difficult would it be to host a dance/party for a few hours afterwards?
-entertainment: howsabout scoring some entertainment before or after? Or have a DJ? (PS- Hound was a DJ, I'm sure we have some other talented peeps).
Sounds like a nice idea, and it would certainly be a nice was to mingle with the winners, ENWorlders, and others that show up.

-What do people think about the possibilities of having a mid-ceremony intermission (15-20 minutes should suffice) for the nicotine junkies and those in need of a stretch? Let everyone refresh their drinks, etc?
What, the 7th inning stretch wasn't enough for you? ;)
Sure, a break is probably a good idea, as long as we don't lose the people who have already won an award and decide to cut out.

-Ushers/hosts/hostesses. Great idea last time, and also a nice way to verify that peeps from each publisher are there so the MC doesn't have to wait.
Yes, I was hoping that this would be done again this year. I'm sure we could get 6-8 ENWorld volunteers to help out in the ushering department.

-Make sure that there's a contact name and means of contacting the Host the day of the awards so that publishers who can't attend can drop off or email in advance an acceptance speech. Include such information on the "Congrats" mailout/invitation.
Yes.

-howsabout a programme or at least score-card type printed thang at each table? If there wasn't a party on-site, then it could also include directions and a map to the post-show party. Would publishers like to help defray the printing costs by placing ads, coupons, etc?
A nice touch, and cheap enough to have a list of nominees run off at Kinkos. At the minimum, at lest one sheet per table, but a program for everone who comes in would be better.

-if we're going away from d20, having a d20 as the symbol sort of messes with things. This year GenCon had a great trophy made up for its winners (the Gelflings now have one, right beside our ENnie). Perhaps we could simply use the trophy/GenCon dude- maybe we could get a bulk discount?
Other suggestions? this year and last year are the first time there has been continuity in the awards two years in a row, which is important. Once we get an award design, I think we need to stick with it. Other awards ceremonies, such as the Hugos, vary the base for the awards year to year, but the actual award stays the same. I understand the whole d20 thing, but that is where these awards got their start.

-I think the silver guys should get a ribbon, and offer a certificate for the bronze winners
I'd like to stick with Gold and Silver awards, but if others feel the need for a bronze, ok. I see the 5 nominees as sort of a collective Bronze. Perhaps a certificate for all 5 nominees, with the Gold & Silver getting a trophy & ribbon?

-let's make sure that Peter gets a snazzy-looking ad for the program, and beg for space in the SoCal program to get people excited about the prospects
Yes. We had a 2 page spread with a recap of last year, but another full page ad in the program would be especially nice.

-I saw one official-looking camera at the event. The costume contest had I'd say 2 dozen media types. We need to score their press-release list and generate some press out of this. Get some PR going on this.
Yes. The list shouldn't be too hard to get a copy of.

The Booth (which is also Image, and Advertising)
-the ENnies & ENWorld need some nicer booth decorations. I've got some suggestions, and can design & have printed some nice stuff (did y'all see our stuff at Origins and GenCon last year for ENP?). But that comes down to funding.
Absolutly. I felt a bit embarassed by our booth at times, especially compared to some of the others nearby. While we may not be as polished as the others, we need to look like something more than a bunch of people who crashed a booth and claimed it for our own.

-great job, volunteers! Next year, though, I think that if you're working the booth, you should wear your ENWorld T-shirt (and perhaps we'll get some more printed and donate them to the volunteers)
If we can get shirts for the volunteers,t aht would be wonderful.

Also, on on the subject of volunteers, we need to keep the space behind the table for current volunteer shift people and aewards staff ONLY. I don't know how many times I stopped by and saw people sitting behind the table working on D&D characters, or found the table blocked by 3 chairs with people, and the volunteers standing around unable to sit down. I have no problems with using the booth as a gathering place (thats a big portion of what we wanted to use the booth for), but the promotion of the awards and site have to come first. If EN Worlders are the only ones able to get into the booth, it's hard to promote the awards. I'm just as guilty of crashing behind the table as others are, but some people really took it too far. I'm sure that if we all decided to crash at Fiery Dragons booth, they wouldn't be too happy with us, as they wouldn't be able to promote their products. We need to look at things the same way. The awards, and the site, are products. If we want them to succeed, we need to be able to promote them. Having the booth look like an empty table with a pickup game happening isn't a good way to promote anything.

-we should've had a computer onsite to show off ENWorld and let people post. Poor Crothian was suffering from withdrawal. Should we seek sponsors, ask for the WiFi company to donate some password, could we piggyback on the GenCon connection?
Yes, we discussed a laptop at the booth among the judges. It just didn't happen. Next year, it should be a priority.

I think thats about it for me, at least for a little while. Comments?
 
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Spoony Bard said:
\1. Begin the transition to true year by year accounting.
The ENnies season begins in the middle of the year (July 1st). I want to see this changed to a January 1st start of season.

Why, so long as it spans a year, what difference does it make when it starts and ends?

If the judges need more time change it by a month or two, but changing the season to start on Jan 1st is unnecessary and in my mind makes no sense. With the awards given out at GenCon, it makes sense to have the eligibility period based on it. Further more having start and end when you suggest will mean a product will have run it’s course by the time it receives the award, which won’t do it much good.
 

A. I was never behind the booth working on characters. Though I was around or back there on occasion having conversations or catching a 10 min break. No fair to single me out.

B. My laptop was offered and available for use at the Booth at any time. In fact, the majority of Thursday, Friday Morning, and all of Sunday it was simply behind the booth in my laptop bag unused. It was there and nobody used it.

Thursday Michael paid 10$ for net access, and after that we had none because we werent given an account to use for free.

Edit: Also, I may not have been Staff, but I invested time helping. I was the one who went off to Kinkos on Friday morning to get the Certificates ordered and printed, Glenn then finished hammering out the details with the swamped Kinkos crew, and we both pitched in out of pocket to pay for them to be printed.
 
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BrooklynKnight said:
A. I was never behind the booth working on characters. Though I was around or back there on occasion having conversations or catching a 10 min break. No fair to single me out.
Sorry Arthur. I don't want to argue a point. I edited your name from the post. I saw you writing on paper and had 2 or 3 books open, and it wasn't on your volunteer shift. I assumed you were working on game stuff. Regardless, the booth table shouldn't be crowded by personal stuff. That's what I was trying to point out.

BrooklynKnight said:
B. My laptop was offered and available for use at the Booth at any time. In fact, the majority of Thursday, Friday Morning, and all of Sunday it was simply behind the booth in my laptop bag unused. It was there and nobody used it.
I had no idea. Maybe you should have pulled it out, or mentioned it to us? I never knew it was there.

BrooklynKnight said:
Thursday Michael paid 10$ for net access, and after that we had none because we werent given an account to use for free.
Again, I had no idea he paid for access.

BrooklynKnight said:
Edit: Also, I may not have been Staff, but I invested time helping. I was the one who went off to Kinkos on Friday morning to get the Certificates ordered and printed, Glenn then finished hammering out the details with the swamped Kinkos crew, and we both pitched in out of pocket to pay for them to be printed.
And we appreciate what you did. I offered to several people to chip in $ for the certificates, but nobody ever collected on it.

Look, I don't want this to be a who did what conversation. Lets look at what we can do for next year.
 

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