Entangle - A Little Too Strong For A 1st Level Spell?

[irdeggman]

I voted no.

It is no more overpowering than say magic missile (never miss and no save).

 

[Nail]

Is Entangle (the spell) too powerful for a 1st level spell?

Yes.

Huge range, huge AoE, difficult to escape from...all for a 1st level spell? Please. Name one other core spell that's like it.

 

[hong]

You do mean in the area where the druid is correct? It can't be cast on a person. But yeah, that is a good use. Also good for a rogue and sneak attacking since you can flank fairly easily this way.

That's another reason I find it annoying. Sure, it's great for the archers, who can sit and shoot. It's boring for everyone else, though. Either they're in it and can't maneuver, or they're outside, and can't engage the bad guys without getting stuck.

 

[Slaved]

Could you hide behind something until the spell ended?

Hiding behind trees blocks arrows pretty well, or maybe in a ditch, or behind a rock, or so many other possibilites both indoors and out that it should not be a problem.

Unless of course you are worried about your own short duration buffs running out, but if I was using the entangle as a way to prevent being in melee and people started hiding waiting for the spell to end I would be worried about them putting short duration buffs on themselves.

 

[Nail]

Slaved: Are you saying "the people in the Entangle spell should just hide"?

 

[Slaved]

I suppose that they might be able to hide while in the entangle, depending on the environment.

But I was responding more to hong. If an archer is sitting in the entangle so that it is tough for melee to approach him why not just get behind something and wait for the duration to run out?

 

[irdeggman]

Is Entangle (the spell) too powerful for a 1st level spell?

Yes.

Huge range, huge AoE, difficult to escape from...all for a 1st level spell? Please. Name one other core spell that's like it.

Entangle gives a Reflex save which on a success allows the character to move at half speed but otherwise not be affected. The save is not made once per round but once only. If it had no saving throw and/or was useable in pretty much all locations that would be a different mater. But it can't be used if there is no vegitation around (I had run a druid in Dark Sun and tried casting it on the Silt Sea when I discovered that particular limitation).

Magic missile does 1d4 +1 and never misses with a good range 100 ft + 10 ft/level and scales well (up to 5 missiles).

Personnaly I don't find either so far out of whack that they require moving a spell level, but. . . .

 

[Nail]

Ah.

The archer in the entangle is having some difficulties...after all, each round she has to make a successful Ref save or become entangled.

Each.

Round.

of.

a.

1 minute/level.

spell.


That's alot of saves to make.

 

[Nail]

The save is not made once per round but once only .

????

Each round on your turn, the plants once again attempt to entangle all creatures that have avoided or escaped entanglement.

Only once? Not so much......

 

[hong]

I suppose that they might be able to hide while in the entangle, depending on the environment.

But I was responding more to hong. If an archer is sitting in the entangle so that it is tough for melee to approach him why not just get behind something and wait for the duration to run out?

Yeah, if I was playing a melee guy, I could do that. But goddammit, I didn't come to a D&D session to hide behind a tree. I came to a D&D session to kick orc butt, not sit around waiting for the minefield to clear!

And I'm talking not only about the bad guy casting entangle, but also the druid in the party casting it and leaving the other PCs to cool their heels.