Enterprise 05-21-03 (Season Finale)

fba827 said:
Oh - I completely agree. Their relationship was not the kirk/mccoy type relationship. I was merely answering the other person's question as to whether or not there was a science officer on Voy. Wasn't meant as a response to the questions about sci-officer/captain relationships in general :)
All good. I actually wasn't responding in dissagreement or correction, I was trying to add to what you said and confirm that there was a Captain/Science officer connection on each iteration of Trek rather than just gloss over it like I did in my original post. I tend to leave Voyager out of Trek conversations because of my negative feelings towards it...
 

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I liked the episode. The main goal of any cliffhanger, obviously, is to leave people wanting to see the second part - and personally I can't wait to see how they handle the Delphic Expanse.



Did you catch the part where they mentioned that a second Warp Five ship was being built and should be ready in seven months?

Mark, I think they mentioned that the NX-02 would be ready in fourteen months. I could be wrong though...
 

Eternalknight said:
Mark, I think they mentioned that the NX-02 would be ready in fourteen months. I could be wrong though...

I seem to recall it being 7 months as well (but I could be remembering wrong and the power of suggestion by reading Mark's post first has clouded my memory :D )
 

fba827 said:
I seem to recall it being 7 months as well (but I could be remembering wrong and the power of suggestion by reading Mark's post first has clouded my memory :D )

These are not the droids... :p
 

Okay, just watched it again. Tivo saved it for me. Joy. Here are the numbers and various tidbits...
  • Arrival date back to Earth: 4/24/2153 (note that startrek.com puts the previous ep on 3/21/2153)
  • @ Warp 5 it's about a 3 month trip to the region inside the Expanse (NOT specifically the Xindi homeworld, they will have to look for it).
  • time till NX-02 completion: 14 months
  • General Casey - Archer requested men from him (note: non-Starfleet personel)
  • 8-9 didn't make up their minds about staying aboard
  • Photonic torpedoes - 50x range, higher yield (adjustable)
  • Day of Rememberance happened a couple (2) months ago. 7 million dead.
  • T'pol not going back to Vulcan would mean immediate dissmissal. She resigned anyway.
  • Warp 5 for 7 seven weeks to get to the Expanse.
  • 6 hours for a vulcan ship to penatrate the clouds
  • .2 impulse was the speed Archer commanded Mayweather to take entering the clouds surrounding the Expanse.
I just threw the any potential points of contension in there as well. There is some guesswork to be done but you figure out times pretty well from the episode without reaching too far.

edit: formatting & spelling
 
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John Crichton said:
Okay, just watched it again. Tivo saved it for me. Joy. Here are the numbers and various tidbits...

  • Arrival date back to Earth: 4/24/2153 (note that startrek.com puts the previous ep on 3/21/2153)
  • @ Warp 5 it's about a 3 month trip to the region inside the Expanse (NOT specifically the Xindi homeworld, they will have to look for it).
  • time till NX-02 completion: 14 months

Thanks.

So does this mean that the NX-02 ship will be ready to go roughly by the beginning of the fourth season? :)
 
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Mark said:
So does this mean that the NX-02 ship will be ready to go roughly by the beginning of the fourth season? :)

Well, since the amount of time shown in each episode (and shown inbetween each episode) varies greatly, I'm not certain you can make that assumption :-)

Then again, now that I think about it -- regardless of that variability, they usually do tend to refer to each season as "years" ("We left Earth two years ago," etc...) but, who knows? :)
 


Eternalknight said:
Someone fill me in: Did they leave Earth in 2150 or 51?
April 2151.
Mark said:
So does this mean that the NX-02 ship will be ready to go roughly by the beginning of the fourth season?
I think that is a safe assumption based on the currect way they are handling time. Each season has "started" and "ended" in April of their respective years. The NX-02 will be completed in June of 2154, otherwise known as just in time for Archer and crew to have another ship waiting for them when they come limping back to spacedock from the Expanse in a borrowed Klingon ship which they.... :p

But seriously, yeah. If I was a writer these dates would drive me bonkers.
 

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the one obvious analogy to the plot of this episode (well, it was immediately obvious to me, anyway, and also to my oldest son, who watched it from halfway across the country, so I can site two separate sources): September 11th.

To me, this episode simply screamed 9-11. Here's the Earth, sitting fat, dumb, and happy, when out of the blue comes a major, devastating attack from an unexpected source. Extreme damage is incurred. The reaction is first one of disbelief and shock, followed quickly by anger and a desire for retaliation (especially on the part of Trip, who lost someone close to him in the attack).

I don't wish to start a political discussion about the terrorist attacks of 9-11, but this episode (to me, at least) seems a sort of parallel and possible catharsis to the 9-11 attacks. In real life, the US suffered an unexpected attack, found out who was responsible, and was eager to punish those who engineered the carnage. We're still eager to do so, but Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden are apparently still around. On Enterprise, we see a similar situation occurring (on a much bigger scale: 7 million people dead as a result of the Xindi attack), and we see Archer and crew heading off to go do something about it. Since this is a TV show, we're pretty certain that, even though it might take the better part of a season, we'll get to see the good guys triumphant in the end.

Now, this might all just be in my head, but I have to wonder if these parallels were intentional. My guess: yep.

Hopefully, I haven't crossed any "political discussion" lines by bringing this up. If so, I'll bear the moderators no ill will if they want to edit this post to oblivion. (I'll just pretend it was hit by one of those new-fangled photonic torpedoes.) :)

Johnathan
 

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