ENWorld Advertising

Conaill said:
Considering this is one of the few money makers for EN World, would it be fair to charge community supporters for the ability to turn off the ads altogether?
Along similar lines...

Does it make sense to allow people to put banner ads in their sig *for free*? From a pure cost-benefit analysis, those type of ads seem to be a clear winner: (1) they're free (duh), (2) they're more likely to get looked at because they appear intermingled with the actual content of the page. Seems like a win-win situation for the advertiser to me...

I guess the only tradeoff would be that the front page does get a lot of traffic, and the sig obviously won't show there. Are there any stats available on how many clicks you get from the news page, versus from the forum banners?
 

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Morrus said:
Yep, that's always a good option. Hosting the banner yourself means you can quickly chop and change it at the drop of a hat without replying on email contact with me.
Are the kb restrictions for such ads the same as the ones hosted by ENWorld?
 

Steve Conan Trustrum said:
Are the kb restrictions for such ads the same as the ones hosted by ENWorld?
No, but if you want the dialup users to see it before they move on to the next page, I'd advise being conservative with file sizes.
 

Morrus said:
No, but if you want the dialup users to see it before they move on to the next page, I'd advise being conservative with file sizes.
So, what you're telling me is no flash movies set to the full version of Night Flight to Venus/Rasputin?


Well, there's that marketing strategy out the window ... :)
 

Roudi said:
Now... to touch on BSF's earlier comments:

Well, the banner in my sig is slightly different than the ad banner - one meets the 30kb requirements for ad banners, the other doesn't. It's completely unnecessary to buy banner ad space for what is, essentially, a non-profit product that I promote heavily through other means, but I wanted to expose MODERNIZED to people who might not frequent the message board.

The sig has been as such for over a month now. It's only been linked to the website since release day, August 23rd.

This is intersting. Perhaps it is because of your relatively low post count, but I don't remember seeing your .sig until after I saw your banner ad. So, if I saw your .sig before then, I passed it off as white noise.

While nothing for MODERNIZED appeared in the main page Daily News section, press releases for MODERNIZED were posted in the PDF Publishing sidebars on the right side of the page, as well as in forums on RPGHost and 12tomidnight.com.

I rarely have time to make it to other sites. As I have stated previously, I don't even get to the news page all the time. Call me a messageboard fool. :)

Your feedback is very valuable, but I think you're missing one major factor here... MODERNIZED is free. We're not selling it... at least, we're trying to promote it like we're selling it, but not charging money for it. I suppose customer - vendor interation still applies here, but to say the least, we're an unconventional case.

Actually, the fact that you are offering a free product is part of the reason why I chose to respond to you. First of all, I made the assertion that not even the words "Free" are an automatic lure for me as a customer. Second of all, you are less likely to feel like you have anything to lose by sharing some of your marketing information. You become a relatively "safe" test case and I tend to wonder how many people are reading this and wondering if they can learn something that will give them a little better understanding on how to advertise and stand out from the competition. Besides, you spoke up and I had seen your banner, without clicking on it. It just very relevant to the conversation.

Though I've found your feedback on the banner's content to be very valuable. In truth, I was really going more for the attempt to inspire curiosity, but that appears to be less effective than stating directly what we are. I'll talk to my graphic designer and see what we can come up with as we prepare our next issue.

Curiosity is good. If I were in a store and something drew my eye, I would stop and check it out. But that is partially because I am there to look for something new. Currently, I come to EN World to participate in the community. Finding something new to buy is a secondary concern. When I get to the purchase time of my month, I look a little bit more for new product I might be interested in. I think most of the publishers want to penetrate my awareness before I begin making decisions. The more successful ones do that by establishing a presence in my mind, and by knocking on my mental doors with easy to identify product ads.

Even if your product is free, you did take the time to use a lot of the advertising options here on EN World, including banner space. (BTW - Thanks for that too!) I am hoping that our little conversation has been of some interest to the other potential advertisers, and to Russ. Advertising can only work for EN World as a revenue stream if people use it effectively. I am a little concerned that people get more results from just using the news page to submit press releases. It makes sense, once I stop to think about it. But there must be ways to make paid advertising a better value to the publishers.
 


I know that I've clicked on Dunjinni, Advanching Hoards, and Adventure Quest just through becoming interested in the banners...same with Lon's Lair. Advancing Hoards because i need a complete dice set of the same color, Adventure Quest because i saw a friend playing it and Dundjinni because i saw the cool looking map. For me if it does not catch my eye i dont even bother to look at it. If they move and change...thats good it gets my attention. If they are colorful I look at them more. I will look into a product if their banner looks good, is colored correctly, and interacts with me in some manner. Just my thoughts though.
 

Following up on Connail, how much outcry would it raise to only allow graphics in .sigs of Community Supporters? This could act as a benefit of publishers to have a Community Supporter account so they can have a graphic .sig for advertising.

Problems:
  • .sigs only show up on one post per page nowadays.
  • People can choose to turn .sigs off for their viewing pleasure.

Of course, there are devices on the market to record your TV shows and skip past commercials. With printed media, people still need to flip to the page your ad is on. It is hardly an issue solely with a message board.

As well, how many publishers aren't community supporters? Would that have a big impact?

I'm not sure it is a good idea but it might be worth discussing.
 

BardStephenFox said:
how much outcry would it raise to only allow graphics in .sigs of Community Supporters? This could act as a benefit of publishers to have a Community Supporter account so they can have a graphic .sig for advertising.
How about banning only commercial banners or other graphics in sigs, with the expection of companies that have actually paid for banner space.

Might be a hassle to police these sigs, but in principle we could have a similar problem if people started putting banners for, say, porn sites in their sig. Just as there is some policing for text content, there needs to be some policing of graphical content anyway.

Anyway, just seems strange to me that we're essentially giving away free prime ad space...

[Edit: Note that I'm not necessarily saying that charging for or banning commercial sigs is a great idea. Just something I think we should discuss, because those sig banners do affect the value of the top banner on the forum pages.]
 
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OK, a little feedback on current ad banners.

I actually sat through the entire loop for maxminis. Using minis of Luke and Darth Vader sucked me in. :)

The Harp ad is very easy to figure out what is being advertised.
 

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