Brother Shatterstone
Dark Moderator of PbP
The Sigil said:
Well I'm willing to make all my draft picks right now if it will help any...
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Well I'm willing to make all my draft picks right now if it will help any...
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad
I'm not trying to be negative, but I think this new system isn't working so well. Pre-season games are starting, and players are being injured in them, and now people who get the benefit of other people delaying their pick will be able to choose based on those injuries. Nor will we make it through the list in time for the regular season. And once we get to the regular season, there will be a LOT fewer trades, simply because people have a built-in perception that they will not want to trade "down" for a player they could have chosen themselves for that same pick (unless it is a 2 for 1, which is a somewhat rare type of trade, and much more difficult to do since both players need to clear space on their team in some way for it to work).
In short, I'd like to see Yahoo handle this process sooner rather than later. I think it's inevitable that Yahoo will have to take over at some point...unless people suddenly start making their picks very fast, or someone else comes up with a better idea on how to speed things up.
In short, I'd like to see Yahoo handle this process sooner rather than later. I think it's inevitable that Yahoo will have to take over at some point...unless people suddenly start making their picks very fast, or someone else comes up with a better idea on how to speed things up.
Brother Shatterstone
Dark Moderator of PbP
Mistwell said:
Can yahoo handle the picks for this point out, or would we lose what already has been drafted?
Black Omega
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I think it's a bit of an avalanche problem. Too long a time between picks means people check less often which means the picks come slower, which means people check less often, etc.
I have no objection to yahoo handling it at some point, though I'd prefer we could find a time everyone can be around and take over a chat room or something.
I agree, though, we need to pick up the pace. At this rate i'll be doing my secone round pick a full week after my first round pick. Another two and half months and I'd have a full team.
I have no objection to yahoo handling it at some point, though I'd prefer we could find a time everyone can be around and take over a chat room or something.
I agree, though, we need to pick up the pace. At this rate i'll be doing my secone round pick a full week after my first round pick. Another two and half months and I'd have a full team.
Old Fezziwig
this is a low-flying panic attack
I hate to chime in, as I like the idea of the messageboard draft, but I think I agree with the comments above. I PMed The Sigil with my picks earlier, but that's kind of a problem, as he's not an impartial observer -- he has a team, too (I don't think he'd take advantage of it, but it's probably ground best not covered). If we had a completely uninvolved commissioner, we might be able to work something out with e-mail or PMs and having a proxy draft for us based on criteria, which means that we'd probably be better off using Yahoo!'s autodraft anyhow.
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The Sigil
Mr. 3000 (Words per post)
Also not to be negative, but a lot of the dragging seems to be coming from the same people. That's a problem. Well, I said if things dragged, I'd start implementing some things to get them speeded up... so here's what we'll be doing.
Effective immediately, I will implement a "24-hour shot clock" - when the guy ahead of you submits his pick, you have 24 hours to submit yours. If the clock runs out, your pick goes into "limbo" - you may insert it at any time later. If you have pick in limbo when the clock runs out, you get the highest-rated player according to Yahoo.
The following change was rescinded before implementation because I changed my mind; I leave it in quotes to allow understanding of some of the later posts.
Effective immediately, I will implement a "24-hour shot clock" - when the guy ahead of you submits his pick, you have 24 hours to submit yours. If the clock runs out, your pick goes into "limbo" - you may insert it at any time later. If you have pick in limbo when the clock runs out, you get the highest-rated player according to Yahoo.
The following change was rescinded before implementation because I changed my mind; I leave it in quotes to allow understanding of some of the later posts.
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LeapingShark
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Good ideas for speeding things up, but I certainly will not reveal my top picks to another manager in the game. Sigil could potentially use them for ideas when picking players that slip through into the next round, plus he would know the types of players that I'm interested in. If we did such a thing, we would need an impartial 3rd party to sort the lists.
I like the 12 hour window thing, and I think it should be increased if we're still far behind later on.
Oct 11-17: 12 hour window (ensures 12+ picks)
Oct 18-24: 6 hour window (ensures 24+ picks)
Oct 25-31: 3 hour window (ensures 48+ picks)
This way it "encourages" checking the boards even faster because there is a penalty (somebody moves up above your pick slot if you can't make it in time). For anybody that "can't" get online fast enough (for example if you are alseep, or at work), you always have the option of posting your make-up pick at any time when you come back online.
One other idea I had was to make it a requirement that each manager "email" the next manager in line as soon as they complete their own pick. That way there's one less excuse not to know when your own turn begins.
I like the 12 hour window thing, and I think it should be increased if we're still far behind later on.
Oct 11-17: 12 hour window (ensures 12+ picks)
Oct 18-24: 6 hour window (ensures 24+ picks)
Oct 25-31: 3 hour window (ensures 48+ picks)
This way it "encourages" checking the boards even faster because there is a penalty (somebody moves up above your pick slot if you can't make it in time). For anybody that "can't" get online fast enough (for example if you are alseep, or at work), you always have the option of posting your make-up pick at any time when you come back online.
One other idea I had was to make it a requirement that each manager "email" the next manager in line as soon as they complete their own pick. That way there's one less excuse not to know when your own turn begins.
I don't think we even have the option to "hand it over to yahoo", unless we scrap the entire draft and start over. Once Sigil enters our partial picks, the rest of the player pool will be free and open for everyone to pick up at random.Brother Shatterstone said:
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The Sigil
Mr. 3000 (Words per post)
I see some of your points, LeapingShark. Would you guys prefer to do a live draft or a pre-rank draft (I can manually enter the draft order), with everyone agreeing to rank the players that their team already picked as 1, 2, 3, etc. in their pre-rank order and players other teams picked in their "do not draft" pools?
Also, if you have a problem with sending your picks to me for fear I will use that knowledge to "outwit" you, I'm willing to go back to my original suggestion (on October 27th, you submit your pre-rank list for the entire rest of the draft, with me posting my own list on this thread prior to requesting that everyone else send it). I've tried to keep any potentially problematic portions of this process as open and as transparent as possible (e.g., the lottery) and am willing to do what I can to work around any worries/objections you might have.
Though I feel that I should note that I should note that I would be at a unique disadvantage by using the method I first suggested since MY lists would be public knowledge to all 11 other owners, giving 11 of you a chance to block my "type" of picks, while my knowing your lists is not as much of an advantage, IMO since I can only "block" one pick (remember, I offered to make my lists public to everybody and while I would have the advantage of seeing everyone's lists from the day before, I can't do as much "damage" with one pick as everyone else can with 11).
I suppose the third option would be to publish everyone's daily lists after the picks are made... though that gives EVERYONE insight into your super-secret draft strategy, it means I won't have any special advantage.
What do you guys suggest? If everyone is okay with it, we can "force picks" but if that's going to be a problem, I'll go to the original plan of posting my own list "for the rest of the draft" on October 26th-27th-ish (i'll put it as a password-protected zip file and give the password as soon as the draft is run, so if anyone wants to reverse-engineer the draft, they can)... and then having everyone else submit theirs via e-mail and "manual autodrafting" the rest of the way out (in other words, do as much "messageboard draft" as we can and then do the equivalent of pre-ranking and letting Yahoo automatically fill our rosters). I think that method would cause the least amount of arguing. I just figured a daily "force feed" would give you a little more control over your final roster.
--The Sigil
Also, if you have a problem with sending your picks to me for fear I will use that knowledge to "outwit" you, I'm willing to go back to my original suggestion (on October 27th, you submit your pre-rank list for the entire rest of the draft, with me posting my own list on this thread prior to requesting that everyone else send it). I've tried to keep any potentially problematic portions of this process as open and as transparent as possible (e.g., the lottery) and am willing to do what I can to work around any worries/objections you might have.
Though I feel that I should note that I should note that I would be at a unique disadvantage by using the method I first suggested since MY lists would be public knowledge to all 11 other owners, giving 11 of you a chance to block my "type" of picks, while my knowing your lists is not as much of an advantage, IMO since I can only "block" one pick (remember, I offered to make my lists public to everybody and while I would have the advantage of seeing everyone's lists from the day before, I can't do as much "damage" with one pick as everyone else can with 11).
I suppose the third option would be to publish everyone's daily lists after the picks are made... though that gives EVERYONE insight into your super-secret draft strategy, it means I won't have any special advantage.
What do you guys suggest? If everyone is okay with it, we can "force picks" but if that's going to be a problem, I'll go to the original plan of posting my own list "for the rest of the draft" on October 26th-27th-ish (i'll put it as a password-protected zip file and give the password as soon as the draft is run, so if anyone wants to reverse-engineer the draft, they can)... and then having everyone else submit theirs via e-mail and "manual autodrafting" the rest of the way out (in other words, do as much "messageboard draft" as we can and then do the equivalent of pre-ranking and letting Yahoo automatically fill our rosters). I think that method would cause the least amount of arguing. I just figured a daily "force feed" would give you a little more control over your final roster.
--The Sigil
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Old Fezziwig
this is a low-flying panic attack
I'd have to say that the autodraft/live draft suggestions posed here (with all of us ranking/preranking according to Sigil's qualifications) work best for me. I have to say now that LeapingShark's suggestion of the diminishing window as the draft goes on will not work for me as things are now -- I have an irregular work schedule and am away from my computer for up to 20 hours or more sometimes. For the same reason, the 12 hour clock rubs me the wrong way, too. I'm doing my best to be here and draft quickly, but if I should get a job offer (or be away from my computer, as I will be Wednesday), I see no reason I should be penalized for making RL my first priority.
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