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KidCthulhu said:
...a dog trainer...

OK, so I gotta askya... I find 3e's requirement that all animals have an INT of 1 or 2 (IQ of 10 to 20-something) an utterly ridiculous contention, and limiting them to 3 or six tasks the same. I have been waiting to acquire a CD-ROM full of dog-training manuals, but since we have an "expert" here, I'll ask you:

What do you think of the task-limitations of 3e, for Animal Handling? Ridiculous, or not?
 

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Steverooo said:
OK, so I gotta askya... I find 3e's requirement that all animals have an INT of 1 or 2 (IQ of 10 to 20-something) an utterly ridiculous contention, and limiting them to 3 or six tasks the same. I have been waiting to acquire a CD-ROM full of dog-training manuals, but since we have an "expert" here, I'll ask you:

What do you think of the task-limitations of 3e, for Animal Handling? Ridiculous, or not?

It depends on the animal, Steveroo. I know for a fact that there are trainers out there teaching complicated behavior chains to chickens, and they're about as dumb as animals get. And there are animals capable of very complicated behaviors indeed, like seeing eye dogs and assistance animals. So I do think the limitations are a little low. Then again, most people who train animals to that level spend a lot of time at it. Your average ranger is busy saving the world much of the time.

I think the rules are too low, but then again, most players would get a little out of control without an understanding of how animals learn and how behavior chains are formed and linked. I suppose it's better to be sensible than to have "Skippy the wonder chicken". There is also the fact that it's one level of training to get Skippy to shake paw in the kitchen for a cookie, and another level entirely to get Skippy to sit and stay on the brink of a pit of lava while you and the party battle monsters (or on a street corner while you cross to the mailbox).
 


fusangite said:
Originally posted by Silver Moon

Much as discrimination based on something one cannot control (race, sex, etc.) hurts regardless of the underlying reasons behind it, I think it is a mistake to assume that when men try to avoid gaming with you or display obvious discomfort or hostility based on your gender, that this arises from them believing you to be inferior.

Gaming is often tough for people when they are socially uncomfortable; for many gamers, gaming is the only social activity in which they do not feel uncomfortable. For many such maladjusted individuals, the presence of a woman in the group they're gaming with can destroy their sense of social comfort. If such a person has spent their hard-earned money to attend a convention, I can understand why they might feel entitled to be in a group that was exclusively male -- and therefore one in which they could relax and enjoy themselves.

Obviously, such feelings of insecurity spring from a belief in the inequality of male and female gamers but I would argue that they are far more likely to derive from a belief in the superiority, not the inferiority of women.

Sorry, even though I am a male gamer I have to jump in here.

I think the root of a lot of these feelings may be *displayed* as certain male gamers thinking female gamers inferior (game-wise) but to be honest, in my opinion based on observation it kinda falls out in one of these categories more often than not:

1) Insecure men are often threatened by self-assured, empowered women. Most female gamers I've met (and the few I've played with) tend to be independent women with brains and the greatsword to back it up, and that rattles a lot of men (the actual reason for which eludes me to this day...)

2) Men are competitive. Even though in most RPG's you don't "win", per se, most guys are still competitive and secretly harbor the urge to be the guy who outplays, outfights, or out-whatevers the other guys. For this guy, the mere *thought* of a woman being there that may possibly do something cooler or better than him is intolerable, and to me equally silly as point 1).

3) Limited female contact. Let's face it, most gamer guys are NOT the pinnacle of coolness or Brad-Pitt-rugged-but-sensitive-blah-blah-blah; many dont even have an actual working knowledge of girls, but have plenty of schematics hidden between their mattresses. The worst in this category may feel so embarressed by a woman, especially one he may be attracted to, seeing him act out his testosterone-soaked fantasies of James-Bond-Meets-Conan male physicality that they feel totally unable to get into character in the presense of a female. This one is just sad, however can be cured by getting an actual date sometime, or at least by doing things in real life that they may only role-play (except for the whole 'hitting people with sharp objects' part, folks don't even try that at home)

Or, as a female player in one of jonrog1's story hours, who gets picked on all the time by the other males, put it:

"Stoopid Stoopid boys" ;^)

And girls, I dont understand the behaviors of the males I've described above, so dont hold it against all of us; there are a few adult males out there to game with (at least, as adult as a man can get while playing with little metal hand-painted dolls, er, ahem, 'action figures', arguing over a dice roll without any money involved, and pantomiming imaginary sword swings while his friends say things like 'sweeeeet')
 

Lola said:
Aaaahhh! It's a thread from beyond the grave! :eek: Get the silver bullets! No, wait, that's not right...

Add me to the list, I'm a chick! Wait... *checks* ok, yeah, I am. Uh, hi. *waves*


Heh heh, Lola, you never fail to make me laugh when you post...
 

Wow, This thread has become huge.

I am also a chick gamer. I am a mother of 2 boys. I go to school to get my buisness degree at night, and am a housewife during the day. My husband is the DM in our group and I did not play until I met him. He love gaming so much that I thought it was important to try to share that with him. So I started gaming, and found I loved it. Its like I found a part of myself that was missing.

His group plays alot of games from Call of Cuthulu, Star Wars, to DnD.
I just usually play DnD 3.5. I cant seem to get interested in other games. Not to mention that 2 times a month we have a session at our house. That means cleaning, and getting the place ready. THen finding babysitters, and so on. But I would not change being married to a gamer for life. It great, Instead of hitting the bar, he likes to spend his time sitting at our place with his freinds who are all really great guys.

I am the only girl in a group that has been as large as 10, I know alot of guys that play in other groups too, none girls. Of course the guys in our group are finally getting engaged and couple of the women have shown some interest and played a bit. So hopefully I can start to count more girls in soon.

So does anyone have a count of girls yet...?

Also if anyone ever catches me on AOL feel free to IM me, just let me know your on the boards.

Great to have other girls around...
 

Hmm, I may have already posted all of this elsewhere but...

I am also a female gamer, I'm 29 and I work for a software company. I started playing D&D about 11 years ago, not long after meeting my best friend. She and I liked to hang out at the Del Amo Mall Gamekeeper, the first time we went there together the Manager at the time was holding beginner AD&D games in-store for a "Summer Fantasy Festival". (I won a Ral-Partha Imports miniature of a barbarian). After that I signed up in the "looking for a game" 3-ring binder at that store and I've been hooked ever since. I had been aware that D&D existed before that, I used to watch the cartoon, and every so often somebody would do "how to paint a miniature" when a Drama teacher would give us a "give a speech about something" assignment.

I've most often been the only girl in the group, but my longest lasting group in the past had one other woman in it. (The aforementioned best friend.) The group with the most women I've ever played, sit down, with was a GURPS group who had three women, including myself, which made the boy/girl ratio almost 1:1... But the fourth guy was gay... So he liked to say that it was 50/50.

I haven't really had a problem with guys looking down on me as a gamer because I'm a woman. Or if I have, I just didn't notice and managed to win them over before it could become obvious. :)
 

I'm a girl (if any of you saw my now-deceased avatar, you'd know), 100% Korean (with a 100% upper middle class white outlook), 22, and agnostic. Degree in English with a huge emphasis on genetics. :) Currently basically unemployed. I got into the hobby of my own volition; freshman year of college I said "why not" and just did it. (I did buy the boxed set way back in middle school, though I never did figure it out with no one to tell me what to do. I had to settle for playing Spellfire as often as possible! I love Spellfire . . . Hehee.)

I've known only one serious girl role-player other than myself, and about three serious girl gamers. I can't get any of my girl friends into it. All of my guy friends are gamers. I actually prefer being the only girl in my groups; when I started playing with girls I got a little jealous. It's kinda cool being called "our girl" by the guys. :D

I've been playing table top for about 4 years, but I did the AOL message board thing since AOL was new.

All the people I've ever gamed with in my entire life have been white. I do come from one of the largest centers of the KKK and many other hate groups, though, so maybe that explains it. (Yay Pennsylvania and the USA.) I am, however, trying to get my younger (15 yo) brother into it, and he's black.
 
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KidCthulhu said:
As unofficial First Lady of ENworld (by virtue of a VERY long time married to Piratecat).
Hey, It hasn't been that long! I remember when the two of you were engaged!

KidCthulhu said:
...maybe I'm spoiled, but all my games are at least 50% female, and that's good and natural.
Yes, you are spoiled, because you get to play regularly with a wonderful group of players, regardless of their gender. Kris and I are both looking forward to seeing you guys again soon at the Boston Game Day!
 

Thread Latecomer

Hi, yet another female gamer checking in, a little late, I know. I usually live in Muncie, home of Ball State University and the Knights of the Dinner Table, but said University shipped me off to Japan this year, so I'm stuck in a land where gamers are rarer than rubies and the only good, dedicated game store is a place called "Yellow Submarine." Ergo, most of my game book purchases are PDF, and any gaming I do is online, but all the PBeM and PBP that have open slots are dead, dying, or otherwise incapacitated (stunned, maybe?).

In any case, my normal gaming group consists of 4 girls-me, my two roommates, and a friend-and 2 guys-my boyfriend, and the friend's boyfriend. I'm the D&D DM, though I've heard that another, more sugar-fed female DM has taken my place. Three of us runs a different group that has more or less the same members--mine is D&D, my roommate runs V:tM, my boyfriend has a D&D game and a CoC d20 game, and we switch off on a BESM game. Since we're all Japanese majors (except for one Comm-major-Japanese-minor), and all in the anime club, our games tend to revolve around those subjects.

I'm a senior have a Japanese major, with minors in Asian studies, physics, applied physics, and linguistics, with a dropped creative writing because they don't teach creative writing, just "my style of writing, and if you deviate from it, you might be somewhat skilled but are ultimately misguided." Yeah. Who's up for elementary particle physics in Japanese?

That's pretty much an overview of me. Can anyone recommend a PBeM or PBP game that isn't dead and needs players?
 

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