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How do I calculate the effective level of a monstrous character of a species that doesn't have a LA? Do I base it on HD or CR or something else?
 

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I'm gonna cast my vote for a party split.. So far we've got an Exalted character, A Paladin, and a Vampire who's backstory pegs him as pretty Bleeping evil, and.. er.. one of these things is not like the other? (No offense Vertexx, I just don't see the Exalted and the Paladin getting along to well with Hanshu). Not enough info on the others to figure out where they'd belong.
 

My favorite idea right now is a Marilith, and that would probably not work too well with a Paladin and an Exalted, unless I play her as a fallen demon or an amnesiac and in either case she would probably be morally confused rather than good per se.

But if she's even allowed I'll need an ECL-ruling from Dharuhk Svahre before I can put some more work into it.

Can you say no to this face? :cool:
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Quarnabeet is LN

Very LN.

He has no problem with paladins - but does not mean that they will not have a problem with him.
He has a big problem with being racial profiled.

He is more or less done; I just need to put all the stats in one place


Expect to do that and upload everything Thursday.


What deities are we using BTW?
 
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My favorite idea right now is a Marilith, and that would probably not work too well with a Paladin and an Exalted, unless I play her as a fallen demon or an amnesiac and in either case she would probably be morally confused rather than good per se.

But if she's even allowed I'll need an ECL-ruling from Dharuhk Svahre before I can put some more work into it.

Can you say no to this face? :cool:
Ok, well first off I'm gonna mention that anything with a level adjustment of - isn't meant to be played as a character. Now that being said I didn't deny your request flat out. Unfortunatly, after trolling Devil/Demon CR for about 20 minutes, its become clear that every level adjustment is within 2 of their HD. Basically that would put you at 16 HD and 14 level adjustment which would force you to play a straight marileth out of the monster manual. Though I suppose the fact that you'd get 4.3 million gold worth of stuff means you'd have at least some customization. Its up to you.

Quarnabeet is LN

Very LN.

He has no problem with paladins - but does not mean that they will not have a problem with him.
He has a big problem with being racial profiled.

He is more or less done; I just need to put all the stats in one place


Expect to do that and upload everything Thursday.


What deities are we using BTW?

Hmmm... deities. So far I've been using Greyhawk standard, but I'm not gainst mixing and matching.
 
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Ok, well first off I'm gonna mention that anything with a level adjustment of - isn't meant to be played as a character. Now that being said I didn't deny your request flat out. Unfortunatly, after trolling Devil/Demon CR for about 20 minutes, its become clear that every level adjustment is within 2 of their HD. Basically that would put you at 16 HD and 14 level adjustment which would force you to play a straight marileth out of the monster manual. Even if I gave some wiggle room and dropped the LA a little I don't think its gonna work out very well for you.

Oh, no that wouldn't be very balanced. Unless... I think I remember that there is a rule in some book that allows us to buy down LA with XP (pay ?x1000 xp for each level of LA). That would make her a lower level character but unburdened by the LA. I'm not sure that would work with a LA of 14 though, maybe 10 or 12. I don't even know the book the rule is in. Maybe someone else does?
Figured it out myself. It's in the SRD. Unfortunately it requires 18 class levels to even begin buying off an LA of 6, which means she cannot do it unless we make this a level 48 game :(
So, back to the drawing board I guess.
 
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I don't know where that rule is from, but I know I probably wouldn't allow it. However, I have made a decision based off of looking over all of the merileth's stats. I'm gonna knock your level adjustment down to 10. That will give you 4 levels to play with, then 10 LA and 16 racial HD.
 

it's unearthed arcana and is extremely broken at high level... No offense Neph, not tryin to rain on your Marilith parade.

I'd say 10 LA sounds about right given the bonuses of the Marilith.
 
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I don't know where that rule is from, but I know I probably wouldn't allow it. However, I have made a decision based off of looking over all of the merileth's stats. I'm gonna knock your level adjustment down to 10. That will give you 4 levels to play with, then 10 LA and 16 racial HD.

That's ok, it wouldn't work for her anyway since she wouldn't have enough class levels to begin using it.

I like the concept, though so I'll give the Marilith a try. Do you allow me to use the Monster Manual II Monster of Legend (pg 213)? It's a powerful template but would fit the premise of the game well and make her more worthy of being "collected" than other dead mariliths.

it's unearthed arcana and is extremely broken at high level... No offense Neph, not tryin to rain on your Marilith parade.

I'd say 10 LA sounds about right given the bonuses of the Marilith.

None taken. I need a bit of support on the rules, so I appreciate that you're trying to help.
 
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I'm gonna cast my vote for a party split.. So far we've got an Exalted character, A Paladin, and a Vampire who's backstory pegs him as pretty Bleeping evil, and.. er.. one of these things is not like the other? (No offense Vertexx, I just don't see the Exalted and the Paladin getting along to well with Hanshu). Not enough info on the others to figure out where they'd belong.
Hanshu was very evil for the first 650 years of his unlife, but then got tired of the endless slaughter and turned his attention to seeking knowledge and then spent over 200 years slowly moving toward his current outlook of altruistic wimsy (CN). After which he built a city and became an instructor in the martial path of the nine swords, for those dedicated individuals that can look past the whole "learning from the undead" thing. With his betrayal by his own kind, he has since developed an intolerance to all other undead, during the countless eons he laid at the bottom of the gorge of shadows.
 
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