[Epic D&D] Forgiveness is Divine (Full Again)

[Urbannen]

I believe that you apply epic bonuses and feats based on the character level, not the effective character level. Character level is based on HD only. ECL is only used to compare the power and experience of player characters. All 23rd level characters, regardless of ECL, are figured the same for the purposes of game mechanics.

Gerti Oerlsdottir is an example from the ELH of this. From memory, she is a 14 HD frost giant Cleric 5/Runecaster 4. I believe the ECL adjustment for frost giants is 17. However she has the attacks and saves of a 23rd level character.

Since I don't have the books with me, please let me know if I'm wrong about this example.

 

[Someone]

Reading carefully the sidebar on page 25, seems that you´re right. monsters with EL use the BAB and saves of their classes until they have 20 class levels, and use the effective character level for everything else. (Funny, the spanish version omits the mention to save bases)

 

[Mordane76]

Does that mean I have a better BAB and Saves? I mean, I'm very happy with what I have right now, but if I'm allowed more, I'm not gonna be horribly upset. I can always use the extra +1-2 BAB, and the extra +1-2 to my saves... Overall, though, I think you get about the same effect if you use Epic Attack Bonus or standard BAB. If you use Epic Save Bonus instead of standard class bonuses, however, you'll end up with overall higher saves...


I guess it's up to Arknath -- I'll change it to the sidebar (which I missed as well), or leave it as is.

 

[Urbannen]

Mordane76 - the way I understand the rules, yes, you would have a higher BAB and saves. The downside is that you wouldn't be eligible for epic feats for another level.

Alguien: yo pensaba que eras hispanohablante porque escribiste «¿» en uno de tus mensajes. ¡Hola! ¿De dónde eres?

 

[Arknath]

First, let me thank you to all that have responded to my requests for updates. I will get on them as soon as can be.

Insofar as the "Epic attack progression and ECL" debate, the ELH is correct. There are (really) two things that ECL determines...

1) Your level of power in comparison to a certain type of character
2) the ability to choose epic level feats when your ECL reaches 21

So, until you have twenty hit dice you use the normal level of progression. After, it's +1 every odd level.

Clear as mud?

 

[Someone]

Alguien: yo pensaba que eras hispanohablante porque escribiste «¿» en uno de tus mensajes. ¡Hola! ¿De dónde eres?

De Cádiz, España. Hace tres siglos, el lugar desde el que partían los emigrantes a América; ahora, el lugar donde se ahogan los inmigrantes norteafricanos. No me di cuenta del '¿', supongo que a veces esas cosas se me escapan sin darme cuenta.

However, let´s continue talking in english, or e-mail me if you want a conversation, I wouldn´t like to hijack the thread.

 

[Pyrex]

Arknath, do you still have open slots?

If so, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring with an Anarchic (+3), Human Barbarian (22).
(I don't have my epic book handy, but if he qualifies, the last two Bbn levels would swap out for Legendary Dreadnaught)

 

[Arknath]

Pyrex: I'll let the group decide. Btw, the Anarchic template wouldn't fit within the requirements of the game. In our campaign world, barbarians can be any alignment, but the requirements for this game is Lawful, Good or Neutral with no Evil or Chaos.

Mordane: Where would I find the Arm of Nyr? Also, a few other points. Your hit dice isn't over 20, so you get no epic attack bonus nor do you receive epic save bonuses.

After fixing that you should be ready to post into the Rogue's Gallery.

Someone: I gave 50,000 right? I think that's quite a lot for creating magic items (since you basically get the items for half price and the cost of a feat). If you want to use XP for that kind of stuff, please take it out of the 50,000 I gave out*.

Your BAB is +10/+5 with +2 epic BAB. The aasimar doesn't count against you being epic when you hit 20 ECL. It's based off hit dice. According to my calculations your attacks with the dagger should be +15/+10 for melee and +19/+14 ranged.

All: Guys, what do you think? Do you want Pyrex in the game? He will be the last addition as I'm ready to close the recruiting sign on this game.

To answer the 3.5 question, yes...we will switch a bit at a time.

*For the "non-magic" types, you can take get other casters to cast permanent spells upon you but the cost will be at an additional 15% than the regular market price.

 

[Mordane76]

I changed out the epic bonuses, and went to the standard progressions.

The Arm of Nyr is in Defenders of the Faith, pg. 26, second item on the first column.


I just did the changes in the last posting of Iuris.

 

[Pyrex]

Oops. Spotted the 'No Evil' bit but missed the 'No Chaos' one.

Hmm, I you all will have me then how about an Axiomatic (+3) Dwarven Fighter (22)?