Epic Destinies and Earth Giants

[SkidAce]

Ok now I'm tired of them spying on me and putting my campaign in their rules. How am I going to impress my players with my convoluted impressive backstory if they think "oh thats the standard for giants...you big copycat!"

Quote: "This approach actually returned giants to their Classical roots as creatures embodying natural forces. In keeping with that ancestry, titans also became an elemental race, precursors to and creators of the lesser giants. Now a titan isn’t just a big dude with a ton of spell-like powers, but a powerful leader whose nature is closely tied to an element or kind of energy."

BAH!

/shuffles off to look for hidden cameras in study

 

[mneme]

Some, like the archmage are just a title you claim, until someone smacks you around for getting an overblown ego.

Well, except that the game's sources and early siblings included Vance's archmages (who had deific power) and the mages of Tekumel's College at the End of Time (who, again, were possessed of immortality and magical power vastly in excess of that held by other beings on Tekumel beyond the gods themselves, though they could be killed by foul mischance). The idea of an "archmage" as a deific wizard who has largely abandoned the world to focus on his or her own designs is the root of the term, and it's rather nice, IMO, to see D&D getting back to it.

 

[Rechan]

You know. If a titan is just a 16th level elite brute... What sort of monsters are in the Upper portion of the Paragon level, anyhow?

 

[Fallen Seraph]

You know. If a titan is just a 16th level elite brute... What sort of monsters are in the Upper portion of the Paragon level, anyhow?

Well who is to say there aren't more powerful Titans? This could have been for example simply a regular soldier during the Primordial Wars and has nothing in comparison to a General Titan.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

So, will there be a Epic Destiny that will allow a wizard to perform the Ritual of Ashk Ente backwards and allow, say, the founder of the Unseen University to become the aide of Death himself?

The Giant examples weren't particularly impressive. I was surprised by the low damage output, though even more surprised that the Giants ranged attack actually seems better then its melee attacks.

I still like the Epic Destinies. The Arch-Mage sounds like a nice exit for a wizard.
I also like the "exit" idea. Returning to an ordinary life after 20-30 levels of experience sounds just unsatisfying and even unbelievalbe - Maybe if you are true neutral, it could work, but if you just are slightly good-aligned, you can't just stand by idly and do nothing if trouble arises. You have to meddle. Better find a way to have this meddling culminate into something final and lasting..

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

So, will there be a Epic Destiny that will allow a wizard to perform the Ritual of Ashk Ente backwards and allow, say, the founder of the Unseen University to become the aide of Death himself?

The Giant examples weren't particularly impressive. I was surprised by the low damage output, though even more surprised that the Giants ranged attack actually seems better then its melee attacks.

I still like the Epic Destinies. The Arch-Mage sounds like a nice exit for a wizard.
I also like the "exit" idea. Returning to an ordinary life after 20-30 levels of experience sounds just unsatisfying and even unbelievalbe - Maybe if you are true neutral, it could work, but if you just are slightly good-aligned, you can't just stand by idly and do nothing if trouble arises. You have to meddle. Better find a way to have this meddling culminate into something final and lasting..

 

[Felon]

Have we seen the stats for other giants yet? The hill giant's abilities become a bit more evocative if only earth giants have the ability to throw boulders now.

So, nerfing some other guy can be perceived as buffing the hill giant? OK, D&D is officially an MMO now.

 

[Rechan]

Well who is to say there aren't more powerful Titans? This could have been for example simply a regular soldier during the Primordial Wars and has nothing in comparison to a General Titan.

I'll put it to you like this.

The "General" of anything ain't that scary. Why? Because the Pit Fiend, a 26th level monster, is a leader. He's a General. As is the Orc Chieftan, who ain't that scary for level 8 either.

Brutes are supposed to be the assbeaters of monsters. They do the damage and make you cry for mommy. Soldiers/leaders/whatever are all about finesse.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

A bigger Titan with a bigger club then? jk.

Umm, probably see things like Titans who are Avatars of Primordials or some such type of thing.

 

[frankthedm]

Unless human sized greatclubs are 1d8s, those giants are getting short changed. Those large great clubs ought to at least be 1d12 and maybe 2d8.

While i suspected giants would not have thier 3E damage output, the hill giant's has weaker damage with a melee weapon than a first edition ogre! Reducing the rediculous damage of 3rd editions giants is reasoanable, but this one is just a smidge too low for a 13th level foe.