Epic Level Adventuring?

[shadow]

Why is everyone bashing epic level-gaming? Is it because we have too many elitists who think that anything above 3rd level is "munchkin". I'm really psyched about the epic level book. I've seen a lot of anime and wuxia movies, and I think it would be cool if my D&D characters could emulate the fighting seen in those movies. Granted over the top fights and high power might not be for everyone, but I'm really excited about the possibilities!

 

[Archer]

I think the system breaks down when you get to ultra-high levels. What is an automatic success for one member of the party is automatic failure for another. I guess that magic items are supposed to close the gap between members.

Its the gear that makes the epic character. Epic gear breaks the limits in the PHB, if a 21st level character doesn't have epic gear and a 17th level character does then the 17th level character is more powerful. 1 more level doesn't change the character nearly as much as the extra 700,000 gc worth of magic does.

I'll have to peruse this $40 book in the store because there is no way I'm paying that much for a book sight unseen. I've gotten burned on too many $5-$20 products.

 

[KnowTheToe]

I prefer just to role play thru the epic levels, who needs rules.


Epic level magic user "I attack the orc army."
DM - "Ok, they're dead, wanna go play some tennis?"

Edit too tired to type

 

[Melkor Lord Of ALL!]

I find it fun to roleplay vey powerul characters, best of the best, I am such an insignificant being in my real life, and role-playing games are the best way to escape from harsh reality. Oh, and I like Epic Fantasy( Tolkien, Eddings, Cook and others) and anime such as Dragonball Z.

 

[bolen]

I'm afraid I dont get it it seems to me that high level adventures are just low level adventures with very complex and convoluted rules. It seems to me that one just replaces the level 3 barbarian Orc King with a level 40 orc king who now has a death ray?

What can you role play now that you could not before. It seems to me that if you have Epic role playing you need a whole new world type (not your Middle Earthish Forgotten Realm, or the Middle Ages like Kalamar)

Am I wrong here, and I assume I am. In what respect?

 

[toberane]

I'm afraid I dont get it it seems to me that high level adventures are just low level adventures with very complex and convoluted rules. It seems to me that one just replaces the level 3 barbarian Orc King with a level 40 orc king who now has a death ray?

What can you role play now that you could not before. It seems to me that if you have Epic role playing you need a whole new world type (not your Middle Earthish Forgotten Realm, or the Middle Ages like Kalamar)

Am I wrong here, and I assume I am. In what respect?

If this is your opinion, then I'm going to assume you play characters for maybe a few game sessions and then make up new ones, never retrning to the older ones.

What if you have a group of characters that you play over the course of several years real-time? Do you really expect to keep them all at 5th level? Or should you throw all your characters away once they reach 7th?

I like the character I'm playing right now. And I don't want to have to give up the character or the storylines he's involved in just because he reaches 20th level. If you say "Well, he's 20th. That's as far as he can go. You can play him if you want to, but don't expect to advance any further," that just takes some of the fun out of playing the character.

Our group is a good combination of Role-playing and Combat gaming. We can spend hours gathering information and following little personal plots that don't come anywhere near a combat. We can also spend two whole gaming sessions defending a friends keep from a powerful horder of Demonic invaders. I like getting new levels, new skills, new feats, and new abilities. I don't want to stop doing that just because I reach a certain level.

If you are satisfied with rolling up new characters every few weeks, then the Epic Level Handbook may not be for you. But if you like to play long extended campaigns that involve a group of characters for years, sooner or later you will have to break that 20th level barrier.

 

[bolen]

Sure I see that you like this one character. But is it really different to be 20th level and beat a demon lord then it is for a first level character to kill the orc king. I think for "epic" levels we need a entire new mind set for D&D. Wish is now a common spell after all. Does this really fit into the Tolkein-like genre. It seem to me that you need a whole different kind of world rather then just gaining more and more skills and feats.

 

[Yuan-Ti]

If you are satisfied with rolling up new characters every few weeks, then the Epic Level Handbook may not be for you. But if you like to play long extended campaigns that involve a group of characters for years, sooner or later you will have to break that 20th level barrier.

Actually, this makes me wonder something. In the old days, you could spend a couple years playing D&D regularly and your character would only then be somewhere around 14th level. I was actually surprised to see how many people have groups that are close to or already past the 20th level mark. Whoa.

 

[bolen]

You really see it on the computer. I played NWN last night for around three hour (I just got it) I now have a Level 4 barb. They just don't make levels like they used to. When I was a boy . . .

 

[Yuan-Ti]

You really see it on the computer. I played NWN last night for around three hour (I just got it) I now have a Level 4 barb. They just don't make levels like they used to. When I was a boy . . .

Of course, we should not forget that this is a better business model.

Two years to reach 20th level?
Two years later, bring out the ELH.

In 1e, you had it all in one book. Though, of course, there was nothing much to do differently assuming you could even reach 20th level.