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Wulf Ratbane said:
It's sickening.

What we need is more companies willing to go belly-up for the love of the hobby.

Somebody with a much smaller staff, no high-priced "talent," fewer resources, and much less desire (and ability) to market the game as widely as possible. Cut back on some of that crazy OVERHEAD and follow the "small RPG publishing" model that has been so successful so far.
Your sarcasm is not amusing. I am not jeering Hasbro for seeking profits. I am saying Hasbro will seek profits.
 


philreed said:
There's no reason to announce a new edition until the absolute last possible minutes: at the time the book trade needs product info which is typically six months before product release.

I still say that an announcement next week at GenCon for an '07 release wouldn't surprise me at all.

Well other than years of industry experience, buisness acumen, and your personal contacts, what do you know of it buster?
 

The thing that I don't get out of all of this is the notion that "minis and magic" are the only thing that's making any money for wotc. I'm going to leave magic out of it, because it really has no bearing on D&D whatsoever, but D&D is the only reason that money is being made on D&D minis.

Perhaps there is this huge group of players that play D&D minis like warhammer and yet don't own a D&D book, but I certainly don't see it. I know there are several prominent posters on the boards who play both minis and D&D, so perhaps they could address it head on: are minis players who use the D&D minis a separate market? I don't see it.

The reason I see for the D&D minis being successful is that 1) people want pre-painted minis for their D&D game and 2) sometimes you just want to play out a more tactical combat only D&D game. I don't see a crowd who buy D&D minis just because they're KEWL. So color me confused...

If there is not a big market for D&D minis outside of the player base of D&D, gutting D&D would be the same thing as killing the D&D minis market. It just wouldn't make any sense.

Anyone care to comment?

--Steve
 


That a 4e in some form will come there can be no doubt.

The idea of it going "collectible" worries me a bit. Yes, I buy the mini boxes in hopes of getting useful pieces to use in tabletop games (I don't play the mini's game), but taking the whole D+D game that direction sounds very messy.

If WotC are planning to sell off the RPG side, I could see a logical sequence of events going something like:
- 2007: release 4e in a blaze of glory, enjoy a nice spike in sales for a year, and make some money.
- 2008: sell the RPG division before the 4e bloom wears off.

I just hope whoever ends up buying it can remain true to the spirit of the game, like TSR was before about 1986.

Lanefan
 

Ilium said:
You know, histrionics aside, some people have been quite successful with small PDFs.

I'm guessing that my definition of "successful" is different from your definition.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
 

I.. I heard that a big internet name was going to oversee the development of 4e.

I can't reveal the name.. but the first name starts with Er, and the last name ends with ah.

I call him Erah. Anyway. Apparently, The PHB was going to be 234 pages. But.. They'd sell it in random packages of 8 pages.

Really, it's gonna be awesome!
 

BiggusGeekus said:
Well other than years of industry experience, buisness acumen, and your personal contacts, what do you know of it buster?

I know that any game line is driven by what's selling today. I also know that I've not yet heard of anyone here planning to buy cases of the next D&D book. Minis set, sure. Book, no.

Also, I've never heard of anyone downloading illegal minis from the internet.
 

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