thalmin
Retired game store owner
I like the art but have to admit I don't usually notice it, so I have no idea whether or not it is recycled.
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thalmin
Retired game store owner
It explains what rituals are.
Marshall
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Since this still hasn't been answered yet, I thought I'd clarify.
How does implement proficiency work? Is Implement Proficiency good for all powers or just the powers of the classes that are prof with that implement?
nnms
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AbdulAlhazred
Legend
Sure, but in all fairness this is FAR from being an explanation. It is a good statement of the intent of whatever the change is, but it by no means answers how the mechanics actually work.
I'd very much like to hear how the actual rules text explains it.
nnms
First Post
Sure. I still think "If you are proficient with an implement, you can use it with any of your implement powers." is pretty damn clear.
TirionAnthion
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Implements
The RC talks about implements on p274. It states that implements do not grant a proficiency bonus. An adventurer must have proficiency with an implement to use it. Implements are used with powers that have the implement keyword. The text goes on to talk about implement groups. The book also has a sidebar explaining weapon as implements and implements as weapons.
The book does not talk about specifiic powers, as that is covered in the Players books that are coming out.
The Implement groups section talks about the different kinds of implements and who generally uses them. It also has some special rules such as using a staff as a weapon and that holy symbols can be held or worn when used (the rules state that other implements must be held).
Essentially, (sorry) the text states that implements are used with implement powers in the same way that weapons are used with weapon powers.
The text seems ambiguous when first read, but that is because I am bringing in preconceived ideas about how implements work based on previous experience. When reading many of the rules in the RC, it is important to read them with fresh eyes, do not make assumptions on how things work based on how they worked previously. As a great puppet once said, "You must unlearn what you have learned."
Hope that helps to clarify.
The RC talks about implements on p274. It states that implements do not grant a proficiency bonus. An adventurer must have proficiency with an implement to use it. Implements are used with powers that have the implement keyword. The text goes on to talk about implement groups. The book also has a sidebar explaining weapon as implements and implements as weapons.
The book does not talk about specifiic powers, as that is covered in the Players books that are coming out.
The Implement groups section talks about the different kinds of implements and who generally uses them. It also has some special rules such as using a staff as a weapon and that holy symbols can be held or worn when used (the rules state that other implements must be held).
Essentially, (sorry) the text states that implements are used with implement powers in the same way that weapons are used with weapon powers.
The text seems ambiguous when first read, but that is because I am bringing in preconceived ideas about how implements work based on previous experience. When reading many of the rules in the RC, it is important to read them with fresh eyes, do not make assumptions on how things work based on how they worked previously. As a great puppet once said, "You must unlearn what you have learned."
Hope that helps to clarify.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
So i guess we get a simple "implement proficiency" now. Superior implement training is worded in a way, that this feat would not be redundant.
UngeheuerLich
Legend
Something about melee basic attacks with some weapons beeing used with dexterity?
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