Ethereal creature and invisibility purge

[moritheil]

Transdimemsional glitterdust would work, but it would illuminate them on the Ethereal plane, so that only helps people who can already see ethereal.

So, in other words, it would not "work" in the sense of making them visible to all - you do not favor the literalist interpretation of "visible."

 

[pawsplay]

They are visible. They are also on the Ethereal Plane.

Demi Moore is visible. Yet I cannot see her. Because she is not here.

 

[moritheil]

They are visible. They are also on the Ethereal Plane.

Demi Moore is visible. Yet I cannot see her. Because she is not here.

Yes; I grasp the position. Perhaps rather than "literalist" I should have used the term "absolutist" in my last post to describe the concept that if glitterdust hits something, it is visible regardless of any other conditions that might not make it visible.

 

[pawsplay]

Yes; I grasp the position. Perhaps rather than "literalist" I should have used the term "absolutist" in my last post to describe the concept that if glitterdust hits something, it is visible regardless of any other conditions that might not make it visible.

Well, okay. Although I may be about to change my mind on the transdimensional spells... transdimensional glitterdust would create outlines that exist on both planes, would it not?

I still don't think invisility purge. Although it does negate "all forms of invisility," I don't think it negates the condition that Ethereal creatures are invisible to the Material plane. It is not an effect in any particular location, it is something that happens between the two planes.

It's kind of illogical, though. One-way invisibility does not make much sense.

 

[MarkB]

I wonder if Faerie Fire would work. First, as an Evocation (Light) effect, can it affect ethereal creatures, and second, would the light stay on the material plane or become ethereal?

Not that it helps the party in question, I just wondered.

 

[GilaMonster]

Thanks all.

None of us have UMD and there's no way we're going to be able to get scrolls of see invisible. We're a long way from the nearest magic shop.
I hope the wizard has See Invisible, because he's playing more as a battlemage.

 

[starwed]

I'm looking for any advantage that we have. Last time the appearing/disappearing spiders gave us a lot of trouble.

Random thoughts:

• You might want to consider dimensional anchor as well as make manifest. (Not sure which is better for the circumstance.)
• Any spell which has the [Force] descriptor can affect creatures on the etheral plane, although "Spellcasters on the Material Plane must have some way to detect foes on the Ethereal Plane before targeting them with force-based spells, of course."
  A readied action to cast spiritual weapon could work here; it would keep on attacking the spider even when you couldn't see it, not only dealing damage but marking it's position. ^_^
• Blink is potentially better than see invisibiliy in this circumstance, since it lets you see and attack into the ethereal plane.
• It does take a move action for them to return to the etheral plane, so if you can slow them they're not as fearsome. Stunning them, perhaps with sound burst but more likely with color spray, would at least allow an extra round of attacks. (And the rogue could get some sneak attack action.)

None of us have UMD and there's no way we're going to be able to get scrolls of see invisible. We're a long way from the nearest magic shop.

Well, Scribe Scroll is a bonus feat for wizards. If you have a days rest, he could make at least one. (Depending on how the DM works item creation.) And then the bard could use it.

 

[SkidAce]

They are visible. They are also on the Ethereal Plane.

Demi Moore is visible. Yet I cannot see her. Because she is not here.

She is not here. Yet I can see her.

 

[moritheil]

A readied action to cast spiritual weapon could work here; it would keep on attacking the spider even when you couldn't see it, not only dealing damage but marking it's position. ^_^

Though some rule that a cleric must continually have LoS to a target for the weapon to keep working (not my interpretation, but it comes up quite a bit.) It's worth checking with the DM.

 

[Piratecat]

She is not here. Yet I can see her.

But you see, they don't have the internet. And phase spider webs <> intarweb.