Evard's Black Tentacles NEW QUESTION post #5!

[Plane Sailing]

So, if you're Tentacle-Grappled and Webbed, the sequence is:
On your turn:
1: Roll grapple check(s) to escape from grapple. Usually fail.
2: If you succeed, you've used at least one attack, so you *can't* try to move through the Web (it requires a full round to make the Strength check), and you can't do anything else except a move-equivalent action.

Any of my parties would have gone:

2: Set light to webs and suck up the damage, so that everyone can get away next turn.

 

[Nail]

Good idea, PS......but.....

...all the web doesn't burn all at once. Only 5' x 5' squares, depending on the source of the fire damage (torch burns one square per round, fireball burns multiple squares, etc.).

 

[allenw]

Good idea, PS......but.....

...all the web doesn't burn all at once. Only 5' x 5' squares, depending on the source of the fire damage (torch burns one square per round, fireball burns multiple squares, etc.).

They burned a few squares web-free with Alchemist's Fire, but that was before the Black Tentacles hit. Afterwards, it's really hard to make fire (they rely on Continual Flame and Darkvision for light, they were out of Alchemist's Fire and retrieving it would have required a Grapple check in any case, and I'm not aware of any fire-producing-spells that don't have a somatic component), especially if you've wild-shaped into a Rhinocerous in order to try to beat the Tentacle's grapple check (which the druid did; if he could have changed into a Fire Elemental, that would have worked, but he's not that level yet).

 

[Nail]

BTW:
I realize that the spell descriptions don't address this point directly, but -- as a DM, I'd probably not allow these spells to "stack". That is, the web would interfere with the E.B. Tentacles. How, exactly? Depends on the situation, of course!

 

[Stalker0]

BTW:
I realize that the spell descriptions don't address this point directly, but -- as a DM, I'd probably not allow these spells to "stack". That is, the web would interfere with the E.B. Tentacles. How, exactly? Depends on the situation, of course!

THe phb specifically says unless started otherwise two spells in the same area don't interfere with each other.

 

[Nail]

Yep, I know the PH says so specifically. But a little common sense is also a good thing.....just a little, mind you. Too much common sense is bad for the digestive system.

Just a question: How do the tentacles avoid being stuck in the webs? (I'm asking for a convincing description, not a rules quote.)

 

[allenw]

Yep, I know the PH says so specifically. But a little common sense is also a good thing.....just a little, mind you. Too much common sense is bad for the digestive system.

Just a question: How do the tentacles avoid being stuck in the webs? (I'm asking for a convincing description, not a rules quote.)

Well, they have a 19 strength, so they just bull their way through them? Plus they're tentacles, so they curl around obstacles?

 

[Nail]

Well, they have a 19 strength, so they just bull their way through them? Plus they're tentacles, so they curl around obstacles?

Good try!

Again, I admit we're a shade outside the rules here. ...but just a shade.

Problems:

• Web requires a Ref save. You imply the tentacles automatically make their save. Since they are not a creature (an oject), they may automatically fail their Ref save.
• Even with a successful save, the web entangles creatures within it.....and yet the tentacles aren't entangled?
• Even if the tentacles "bull their way through", I'm sure you're aware of the DC for such a check. It's high: DC 20 Str check to break out, DC 15 (or so) to move. A 19 Str gives only a +4 on that check. Hardly automatic.

In any case, I'm just looking for some sort of "visual" that would show what EBT and Web looked like.....other than a throbbing sticky mass.