Mannahnin
Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
Can we date any of them from prior to Feb 1973?The documents provided for the court case, also evidence what the proto-D&D looks like, that culminates in the publication of D&D in 1974.
Can we date any of them from prior to Feb 1973?The documents provided for the court case, also evidence what the proto-D&D looks like, that culminates in the publication of D&D in 1974.
The documents provided for the court case, also evidence what the proto-D&D looks like, that culminates in the publication of D&D in 1974.
Literary critique can show that the outline dictation by Arneson preexists the draft of D&D for the publication, which is dependent on Arneson.Can we date any of them from prior to Feb 1973?
The sarcasm is unhelpful here.Again, the historical record (and these documents) have already been gone over by actual historians.
It's almost like ... there are histories, and books, about these things.
I already said, more than one person is responsible for D&D.In terms of trying to say one person, or another person, is solely responsible for D&D, I think it is a fool's errand, and I will borrow the phrasing of someone more knowledgeable and leave it at this-
"...Gygax and Arneson were co-creators of D&D, in at least the crucial sense that Gygax would never have worked toward such a game without incorporation of Arneson's vision, and Arneson would never have realized the publication of such a game without the structure that Gygax provided it."
There are interviews in various places. The last OG player turned referee stopped running the thing a few years back. I’ll dig up the interview, but they were playing a 2d6 FKR game.Agreed! Though, TBH, I’d love to see a current printing of the Blackmoor (DYAC) rules and setting as close to what the group still plays. In that documentary, they appeared to be having a blast, and must be, considering they’ve been playing it for over 50 years.
Literary critique can show that the outline dictation by Arneson preexists the draft of D&D for the publication, which is dependent on Arneson.
The sarcasm is unhelpful here.
I already said, more than one person is responsible for D&D.
Arneson invented the concept of D&D and its game engine.
Gygax created a setting for this game engine.
What makes Gygax vital is, he wrote down the rules for this game engine in a publishable format, where Arneson mostly didnt.
I can't agree based on what I've read and seen in the documentation so far. It appears to me more like Gygax coalesced, added to, and edited down an amorphous and variable set of procedures which Dave never firmly cemented, and which he initially drew on rules and ideas from Dave Wesely (Braunstein) and Gary Gygax (Chainmail and Thongorodrim) to create.Arneson invented the concept of D&D and its game engine.
Gygax created a setting for this game engine.
What makes Gygax vital is, he wrote down the rules for this game engine in a publishable format, where Arneson mostly didnt.