Excerpt: Racial Benefits

[Torchlyte]

I'm not impressed, but I'm not unimpressed... it's exactly what I was expecting and little more. I guess I'm just spoiled from getting so much multiclass crunch.

On the other hand, I have a friend who's looking at playing a berserker-type Dragonborn ranger in our first 4e campaign, and these feats encourage that particular concept so far.

Knows better ways of trailblazing through wilderness, taking care of horses, making sure your feet don't get sore after hours of walking day after day, etc.

By wearing girly shoes?

4.
1st, 3rd, 6th, 9th level.

Current 4e speculation puts feat advancement at 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th... 6 in total (7 if you're human).

 

[Lizard]

"Light Step____Elf____Add to overland speed of group, +1 to Acrobatics and Stealth"

well I would probably take it, or give it to an NPC that traveled with the party. But I find overland speed fairly important. I think it would be better as a warlord class feature or strenghend into a warlord utility power. As it would be very important for troop movement.
Hmm it actually gives elven merchants and advantage as well...
really im all about the world building.

Yes, we're FINALLY getting worldbuilding crunch, as opposed to useless declarative fluff. From this, we can get an idea of elvish military tactics...they're good at long marches (allowing them to quickly move troops to the border, expanding how far they can exert control), and likely to field elite guerrilla units.

 

[Torchlyte]

...Imagine two dwarvan fighters around 12th level standing in front of you, with a warhammer and shield, in heavy plate...
They look the exact same, but they would play very very different.

Yeah, they do all look the same, don't they?

 

[katahn]

People are comparing feats, but not considering the fact that level 30 in 4e is equivilent to level 20 in 3e. Whatever a character's level in 3e is, the 4e level is 150% (3/2) of it. This means that 4e is getting feats even more quickly than 3e.

# 3e Feats = (3e level)/3 (round down) + 1 (+1 if human)
# 4e Feats = (4e level)/2 (round down) + 1 (+1 if human)

4e level = 3/2 * 3e level (level cap 30 vs. 20)

# 4e Feats = (3e level * 3/2 )/2 (round down) +1

3e level 1: 3e character has 1 feat, so does equivilent 4e character
3e level 2: 3e character has 1 feat, equivilent 4e character has 2: (2*3/2)/2+1 = 3/2+1 = 1 + 1 = 2
3e level 10: 3e character has 4 feats, equivilent 4e character has 8

So feats, if 4e gets them every even level, are going to be coming a LOT faster. This would seem to confirm the idea that individual 4e feats aren't going to be super-powered and that spending one feat is not even remotely as significant a resource allocation in 4e as it was in 3e.

 

[drothgery]

By wearing girly shoes?

You'd think that, coming from an elf, but have you ever seen girly shoes that looked comfortable?

 

[Torchlyte]

You'd think that, coming from an elf, but have you ever seen girly shoes that looked comfortable?

Hence my confusion.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

Regarding darkvision, I seem to remember reading very early on in 4e buzz that darkvision had been eliminated - it was too wonky that for a race that lived in the dark to have vision to a certain distance which then just shut off. I believe the idea was that underground-dwelling creatures would have low-light vision and their societies would use things like phosphorscent lichens and stuff to provide light, or they would have other non-vision related senses such as blindsight.

 

[I'm A Banana]

[The focus on simplicity] turned me off early and it's hard to recover from that. (OTOH, the revelation that 4e isn't FUDGE is going to turn off some early supporters, and I get to do the schadenfreude dance.)

I agree. Though I'm not sure WotC focused so much on it, as much as a handful of the more rabid fans did.

Some of 4e's biggest enemies are also its greatest supporters, after all.

"Hey, there's a 4e out!"
"OMG YES! It is so great! I love it with every part of my body! It makes things so much better and now my games don't suck any more like the sucktastic suckage of sucky 3e, which might've been awesome 8 years ago, but obviously sucks now!"
"...I didn't really have a problem with it."
"LOL, you're so dumb! Obviously 3e enjoyed the private parts of draft animals and kicked puppies for fun. 4e is going to be fast and give us ice cream whenever we play! Pick up 4e! I wanna DM a game!"
"Wow, kid...yeah...uhm....I'm gonna go play The World Ends With You instead. Later, dude. Enjoy your ice cream."

 

[Kwalish Kid]

Yeah, they do all look the same, don't they?

That's dwarfism!

Wait... that's not right...

 

[Torchlyte]

I agree. Though I'm not sure WotC focused so much on it, as much as a handful of the more rabid fans did.

Some of 4e's biggest enemies are also its greatest supporters, after all.

"Hey, there's a 4e out!"
"OMG YES! It is so great! I love it with every part of my body! It makes things so much better and now my games don't suck any more like the sucktastic suckage of sucky 3e, which might've been awesome 8 years ago, but obviously sucks now!"
"...I didn't really have a problem with it."
"LOL, you're so dumb! Obviously 3e enjoyed the private parts of draft animals and kicked puppies for fun. 4e is going to be fast and give us ice cream whenever we play! Pick up 4e! I wanna DM a game!"
"Wow, kid...yeah...uhm....I'm gonna go play The World Ends With You instead. Later, dude. Enjoy your ice cream."

Everyone had pet peeves about 3.x, and 4e apparently solves many of them. Heck, if WotC left all else the same and addressed the power/options imbalance between magical and mundane classes, it'd be something to celebrate. Why you feel the need to spout your elitism on this thread is beyond me.

How anyone with the name "Kamikaze Midget" can try to make others look immature is also beyond me.