Excerpts: Angels

[Rechan]

I dunno about you guys, but the idea of an Angel racked by disease, left to die on the World just screams plot-hook.

Good find. All ears for that plot hook, too!

 

[The_Fan]

I think we should compare the current stats of the angel of valor with the angel of valor from Dungeons of Dread. Don't have time right now to transcribe both stat blocks, but from a quick skim it looks like nearly every stat is different in small ways. A major change is the HP, going from 57 to 88, confirming what has long been suspected about an across-the-board HP increase from the DDM statblocks

 

[A'koss]

Actually, it seems to me like one of those powers changed action type somewhere in the development process and they didn't revisit the tactics section to correct it.

That was my first thought as well.

Overall though it looks like another solid set of monsters. Nothing really surprising in their powerset, but they look pretty effective. I'd certainly hate to have the PC marked by that level 19 encounter group!

 

[Shroomy]

I think we should compare the current stats of the angel of valor with the angel of valor from Dungeons of Dread. Don't have time right now to transcribe both stat blocks, but from a quick skim it looks like nearly every stat is different in small ways. A major change is the HP, going from 57 to 88, confirming what has long been suspected about an across-the-board HP increase from the DDM statblocks

I did a comparison. There's almost more differences than similarities.

 

[Shroomy]

Actually, it seems to me like one of those powers changed action type somewhere in the development process and they didn't revisit the tactics section to correct it.

Either way, I agree with you that it doesn't necessarily bode well.

Yeah, awkward wording is annoying, but I can live with it as long as the mechanics are solid (or nearly so, nobody is perfect).

 

[Fallen Seraph]

OH! Thought of plot-hook/fan-fluff for Asmodeus and the other Angels rebelling and becoming Devils.

What if they were bought off, by another God or perhaps even a Primordial or a Demon (say Orcus) to kill that God.

Just imagine in Epic levels you finding out it was another God and you and the rest of the party have to make him say he did.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Interesting.

I wonder if this means that Eladrin and Guardinals and sundry will be rolled into one big mass like Demons, Devils, Yuguloth etc were.

You know that Eladrin are already a PC race in the Players's Handbook?

But as for Eladrin such as Bralani, Ghaele, Firre and Coure? They're in the Monster Manual as "Eladrin Nobles".

 

[Kaodi]

In my opinion the look of these " angels " is incredibly lame. Not screaming " awesome deific servants " to me. I like a lot of things about 4e. This is definately not one of them.

 

[DandD]

Well, if the mechanics are badly worded, I might rather wait for the next print of the books. I hope that's just in the excerpt, or some kind of mechanic we don't know yet. But if it's a mistake, I don't want to see that in the Monster Manual, nor in the Player's Handbook, or the Dungeon Master's Guide. They have the money to proofread all that stuff, more than any other RPG publisher, and they even don't need to rely on that franchise, as gaming cards give them probably 100 times as much cash than D&D could ever do. If there's one company from whom I know I should expect quality, it's Wizards of the Coast. At least in terms of proof-reading in their products.

 

[mach1.9pants]

I'm not even sure the tactics bit is an error. I read it as he marks, teleports, standard attacks (not mentioned but obvious), uses an AP for another double attack. Not 100% spelt out but makes perfect sense to me.

It evokes its sign of vengeance at the start of battle, then teleports to the target and spends an action point to use double attack against the foe.

But it could have been better :"..to the target and uses a standard and an AP to double attack twice" or some-such.