• NOW LIVE! Into the Woods--new character species, eerie monsters, and haunting villains to populate the woodlands of your D&D games.

Explain Canada

With respect to universities in Canada, only one has a reputation of any worth outside the country: the University of Toronto.

That's a nice little rumour you've got going there. I'd just like to add that that the following universities made The Times Higher Education Supplement list of top universities: McGill, UofT, UBC, Waterloo, McMaster, UofA, University de Montreal (as of 2004). McGill receiving the second highest mark for International Faculty Acclaim.

Personally I have a soft spot for NASCAD and Concordia...but I studied a lot of silly artsty thingies.
 

log in or register to remove this ad

Dextra said:
If you are going to consider education in Quebec, do yourself a favour and try and pick up a rudimentary French course along the way. Sure, McGill and Concordia offer a brilliant course calendar, but you may be hard-pressed to find a part-time job (or meet anyone outside of campus) in Montreal if you don't understand French.

Well, as a former Montrealer, Con U and McGill student, I can't completely agree with you. Finding a part-time job will be harder... much harder if you are talking about a retail job (but outside the east end of Montreal, it's hard to find retail work unless you speak BOTH French and English).

It is perfectly feasable to function as a unilingual Anglophone (i.e. English-speaker) in Montreal but you end up being limited to western parts of the city... pretty much from St. Laurent Boulevard westwards. All of downtown is bilingual (actually, it's more Anglo than Franco) and places like Westmount, NDG and the Snowdon area are pretty much English-speaking areas.

My wife (a Torontonian by birth and upbringing) lived and functioned just fine as an unilingual English-speaker during her 4 years as a Concordia student. It can definitely be done.

Do I recommend living in Montreal without learning some French and getting to enjoy the other half of the city? Of course not. You'd be missing out of lots of great experiences. But you can certainly function in Montreal without French. Just don't move into a unilingual neighbourhood. If you live anywhere near McGill or Concordia, the vast majority of the locals speak English just fine.

For an American student looking for something different, Montreal might be a very interesting choice. It is probably the least American feeling city in Canada that an English speaker can function in on a day-to-day basis. Quebec City is even more unique in some ways but day-to-day living there pretty much requires fluency in French (although tourists can get by with English just fine). Even Anglo-Montrealers are pretty different from other Canadians since they share many of the social habits and attitudes of their French-speaking compatriots (I mean lifestyle here, not politics).
 


Culturally speaking, Canadians are very much North Americans. Odds are that your first impression will be similar to if you were visiting a part of the US unless we are talking about Quebec or Newfoundland (both those places are a little too different from the US to match up to any region of the States). Most regions of Canada bear a fair bit of similarity to the adjoining regions of the US.

Since the similarities are stronger than the differences adjusting shouldn't be too hard, but after a longer stay, I'm sure you'll pick up on the subtler differences between Canada and the States. A lot of it has to do with differences in our histories and national characters. As a people we tend to be less confrontational, less accepting of social imbalances and more cynical and phlegmatic than Americans. We aren't very idealistic and we are very mistrustful of ideologues.

We prize civility and public order yet we are very progressive and favour strong civil rights. Our historical relationship with power and authority is very different from the American experience and that is reflected in many ways. We tend towards cynicism rather than partisanship when it comes to almost any debate - political, religious, social issues, whatever.

Compromise is seen as a typically Canadian way of resolving disputes and a "stick to your guns" attitude will often be viewed as unreasonable or obstinate here. We tend to be more patient and tolerant of bureaucracy than Americans.

As a result, the stereotypical Canadian tends to be polite, pragmatic, and open-minded. We have our own pioneer history but it's pretty different (compare mounties and Wild West sheriffs and you'll get the picture). I guess in some ways, we retained more of our European heritage (esp. British and French) although both those nations seem to consider us just as dreadfully colonial as the rest of North America. ;)

We're a nation of law-abiding (for the most part) grumblers who like to think our nation is genuinely benevolent (even if our leaders can be shmucks). Canada's the kind of place that breeds reformers instead of rebels. We can be kind of smug-sounding sometimes but that's really just our awkward way of being patriotic and proud of our nation.

Hockey is the national religion. Rooting for the wrong team is tantamount to a declaration of holy war. You have been warned. ;) All other beliefs are tolerated but are expected to be a personal matter. We are a much more secular country with a pretty tolerant attitude towards personal faith (i.e. believe whatever you want) and a very intolerant attitude towards public faith (i.e. but don't talk to me about it). Expressing your beliefs publicly outside your religious institution is a pretty surefire way to get funny looks in much of the country.

On a side note, don't be surprised if at least a few Canadians try to get your insights into the American mindset, especially on issues where our nations differ greatly. Canadians tend to be endlessly fascinated if not obsessed with the differences between our nations, often forgetting just how alike we really are.

Do be forwarned that the "ugly American" stereotype does exist here. We tend to view Americans as our brash, churchy, kind of obnoxious yet entertaining cousins. You are foreign yet familiar and I suppose we are the same to you.

As for gaming, just about any university will have a games club and most urban centers will have several FLGS. Gaming is alive and well here.

As for schools, it really depends what you are looking for. Do you want a small, community-like school in a semi-rural area (i.e. a college town setting) or an larger, more impersonal university in a more lively urban setting (i.e. Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver). Perhaps a mid-sized school in a smaller city (e.g. Ottawa, Halifax, Calgary, Winnipeg)? Is there a particular field you want to study in?
 
Last edited:


Dextra said:
I disagree with the statement that Canadians are less patriotic than our US counterparts. It's just we're not so in-your-face flag-waving about it. We're more polite. To proclaim our superiority too loudly might make other countries' citizens feel inadequate, and that wouldn't be very nice now, would it?
My dad always taught me it's not polite to ask someone where they're from. If they're from Texas, they'll let you know, and otherwise you don't want to embarrass them. :p
 

Wild Gazebo said:
That's a nice little rumour you've got going there. I'd just like to add that that the following universities made The Times Higher Education Supplement list of top universities: McGill, UofT, UBC, Waterloo, McMaster, UofA, University de Montreal (as of 2004). McGill receiving the second highest mark for International Faculty Acclaim.

Yes, I was going to correct this "rumor" too. McGill is indeed near the top in Canada.

Azul said:
Do I recommend living in Montreal without learning some French and getting to enjoy the other half of the city? Of course not. You'd be missing out of lots of great experiences. But you can certainly function in Montreal without French. Just don't move into a unilingual neighbourhood. If you live anywhere near McGill or Concordia, the vast majority of the locals speak English just fine.

For an American student looking for something different, Montreal might be a very interesting choice. It is probably the least American feeling city in Canada that an English speaker can function in on a day-to-day basis.

Well said. Montréal is a big town with a cool village feel. I mean many things happens here (shows, etc.), but you do not feel like living in a cold, big american city (Toronto included).

To complete, I'd suggest you register to an English school (McGill or Concordia, depending on the course subjects you'd like to take), and then try to immerse in French as much as you can / as feel comfortable with. You'll end up with a cool experience.

And indeed, don't know why, but the proportion of gamers is higher in Canada then elsewhere. Just look at the proportion of Canucks in D&D forums.

Let us know of your decision!

Joël
 

I get the impression from this thread that Toronto isn't well-liked by Canadians not living there. Why is that, or am I misreading this thread?
 

Within the rest of Canada there is a widely held suspicion that those who live in Toronto believe that Toronto is the Business/Cultural/Religious/Ethnic Center of Canada, therefore it is the only place of importance in Canada.

While at a purely rational point of view, most will agree that this is not a valid belief, there are many aspects of Toronto, ie. some of the media outlets, particularily op-ed writers that seem to particularily hold this belief.

Demographically it is the largest urban area in Canada, and therefore it does carry some weight in political circles, so I think that the rest of Canada feels resentful of this at times.
 


Into the Woods

Remove ads

Top