Failed promises

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This is what I've heard so far. This thread is about "Failed Promises." But, according to various posters, a promise:

1) Could be an actual designer's promise or adcopy.

2) Could be something you came up with off the top of your head for no particular reason.

It's failed to live up to a brand identity when:

1) It doesn't fit what the brand was like.
2) It doesn't your recollection of what the brand was like.
3) It doesn't fit what somebody else told you the brand was like, but you liked hearing.

To respond to this you should:

1) Make your purchases carefully.
2) Buy everything anyway, because it is impossible for you to ever buy something using reasonable discretion.
3) Buy everything anyway, because even if you're careful, you still might make a mistake, so it's better not to try at all than to try a bit.

When I said one person should not shoulder all the financial burdens of the group, it meant:

1) One person shouldn't buy all the books, all the time.
2) Hey, one person in *my* group doesn't have a book I use. I am offended!
3) Hey, I buy a few more books than other people in my group. I am offended!
4) Hey, I have some books another guy in my group doesn't have. I am offended!

A game company measures a book's success:
1) Through sales backed by statistical research.
2) When somebody complains about a book they bought anyway on the Internet.
3) When somebody complains about a book they not only buy but *use(http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=137092)* on the Internet.
4) Whatever guesses people have about how well its doing.

I believe this is a reasonable conflation of the statements here. Feel free to decide which ones are reasonable positions, which ones are poppycock, and how some of you might reconcile either with what you've been saying.
 

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I picked up GW D20 in my FLGS with the intent to buy it...but its festering evil burned the flesh from my hands. I dropped it and ran from the store, but not before my failure to recite the sacred words resulted in an army of deadites rising from their unquiet graves to feast upon the living!

...or something like that...

But its poor quality did burn me so much that I didn't buy it. That much is absolutely true.... ;)
 

Gnarlo said:
Failed promise? A poor thread that started off interesting and devolved into Whack-a-Troll.

Well, it's a product bashing thread, which invariably turns to taste bashing and value judgements. I'm not of the mind it was headed to stellar heights to begin with. ;)
 
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Psion said:
Well, it's a product bashing thread, which invariable turns to taste bashing and value judgements. I'm not of the mind it was headed to stellar heights to begin with. ;)

Dingdingdingdingdinggg!!!

Give that man a cee-gar!
 

Psion said:
Well, it's a product bashing thread, which invariable turns to taste bashing and value judgements. I'm not of the mind it was headed to stellar heights to begin with. ;)
Well, it remained civil for 5 pages or so. :)
 




eyebeams said:
It's failed to live up to a brand identity when:

1) It doesn't fit what the brand was like.
2) It doesn't fit your recollection of what the brand was like.

Which is very true of my experience with GW d20 in addition to being a piss poor effort. IMHO!


To respond to this you should:

1) Make your purchases carefully.
2) Buy everything anyway, because it is impossible for you to ever buy something using reasonable discretion.
3) Buy everything anyway, because even if you're careful, you still might make a mistake, so it's better not to try at all than to try a bit.

Well I guess I am the Village Idiot that bought a book before I had a chance to thoroughly research it or wait for 5 or 6 reviews to come out. Just because I am a fan of the genre and game. But that does not prohibit me from critiquing the said material or making my feelings know. I like to discuss on this board if I liked a gaming product or not. Heck, I have bought books that I never will never to use in a game setting but because I LIKE gaming in general and would like to just read the sucker!
 

GMSkarka said:
Unless, say, you were one of the writers of a product that was being bashed.....
Most of which were WotC products ;)

Still, not to sound mean or anything, but anyone who sells a product should be prepared for bashing, whether it's through inane, fanboy comments or well-thought out reviews. If I ever start writing, then I'll just unplug the internet connection to my computer, I'm not sure I'd be able to take the bashing. :)
 

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