Feelings About 4e vrs Feelings About the GSL
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Ander00
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I like 4E. The GSL may be a step back in some regards but I can see how they might want to keep shorter reins on the game. That this precludes something like a www.d20srd.org for 4E from existing is a shame (especially considering the state of the DDI). However, as I have exactly zero third party 3.x products and probably wouldn't get a whole lot more 4E ones, I don't expect it to affect me much beyond that.
At this point, I am more interested in the fan website policy that is supposed to be announced sometime soon.
cheers
At this point, I am more interested in the fan website policy that is supposed to be announced sometime soon.
cheers
Scribble
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Something I'm wondering...
If someone created say, a new power, but added a prerequisite to the power, does that fall under redifining?
What about if you wanted to create an entirely new element for the game? It didn't seem to have (or I missed) anything to say on entirely new elements...
If someone created say, a new power, but added a prerequisite to the power, does that fall under redifining?
What about if you wanted to create an entirely new element for the game? It didn't seem to have (or I missed) anything to say on entirely new elements...
I'm not bothered by the GSL cutting out M&M/True20 style products, or the lack of a 3.x style SRD and the comsenurate loss of PocketPHB style products. Nor do I hold the whole Open Gaming gig dear.
I am disapointed that the GSL is apparently worst for exactly the kind of module it's apparently supposed to enable: namely it sucks for adventures, and campaign settings. You can't reproduce stat blocks and you can't reference half the monsters; and you can't even reference by page number (albeit for good reason). I can just about see why they wouldn't want monster stat blocks reproduced, but why - on earth - won't they allow you to reference all the monsters? That just makes no sense.
And I think the terms of the GSL are actually abusive; in that they give a completely uneven and unreasonable balance of power. This would not be hard to fix: a guarantee of six months grace on non-violation termination, a guarantee that any product already in production will not be revoked under changed terms of the agreement, simple things like that.
The OGL killer stuff is pure sour grapes thinking, and completely unneeded. Probably even harmful. I think 3/4 dual stated products from 3rd parties would help bring more gamers to Wizards fold.
Still, it's a minor side show to the central game. And 4th Ed in general is most impressive.
I am disapointed that the GSL is apparently worst for exactly the kind of module it's apparently supposed to enable: namely it sucks for adventures, and campaign settings. You can't reproduce stat blocks and you can't reference half the monsters; and you can't even reference by page number (albeit for good reason). I can just about see why they wouldn't want monster stat blocks reproduced, but why - on earth - won't they allow you to reference all the monsters? That just makes no sense.
And I think the terms of the GSL are actually abusive; in that they give a completely uneven and unreasonable balance of power. This would not be hard to fix: a guarantee of six months grace on non-violation termination, a guarantee that any product already in production will not be revoked under changed terms of the agreement, simple things like that.
The OGL killer stuff is pure sour grapes thinking, and completely unneeded. Probably even harmful. I think 3/4 dual stated products from 3rd parties would help bring more gamers to Wizards fold.
Still, it's a minor side show to the central game. And 4th Ed in general is most impressive.
Scribble said:
I might have missed it too, but I don't think new elements falls under their domain in this case. All the SRD and GSL seem to refer to are the things they own that they'll let you use.. in the case of new elements, those will be things that you own. They do discuss who owns what ideas in the GSL..
Spinachcat
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The GSL is freaking awesome because it allows ME to create stuff for 4e and sell it without spending a dime for the actual development of 4e. WotC spends millions in development costs and millions in advertising costs and I get to make money from their investment.
Woot!
Woot!
I like 4e and don't really care a lot about the GSL one way or another, as it doesn't apply to standalone games (where I've bought lots of stuff I've never played, so I'm less interested in them now; the only games that have shown up at the tabletop are for my group are D&D, d20 Modern, and SWSE), and I only had a handful of non-WotC D&D-targeted supplements.
I voted Dislike the Game, Like/Can Work with the GSL.
I see the GSL as not as good as the OGL from the licensee's standpoint, but better for the licensor. Thus, I see it as a reasonable license. If you don't want the risk of using a licensed product, create your own stuff.
That said, 4e is very different from prior D&D and I don't like it...
I see the GSL as not as good as the OGL from the licensee's standpoint, but better for the licensor. Thus, I see it as a reasonable license. If you don't want the risk of using a licensed product, create your own stuff.
That said, 4e is very different from prior D&D and I don't like it...
Treebore
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The only reason I can find to like the GSL is it will be keeping certain 3rd party companies with 3E. Other than that I hate it because it goes against the fundamental feelings of community I like about D&D. Which in turn now looks like I will be severing all ties with the 4E portion.
The 4E GSL didn't need to be turned into the heavy handed document it appears to be to prevent the problems that did exist with the 3E OGL. Its the way it is because WOTC/Hasbro has decided to become the heavy handed control freaks so many other corporations are. I do not support such businesses or their practices any more than I have too. This idea that whats good for the company is good for the consumer is a complete falsehood. Its only good for the company. Only when people like me are in the minority.
I believe corporations are to be there for me, not their bottom line and making it as fat as possible. That just means I pay more to get less.
So if this is as restrictive and controlling as it appears, products from WOTC and Hasbro are products I don't need to have.
The 4E GSL didn't need to be turned into the heavy handed document it appears to be to prevent the problems that did exist with the 3E OGL. Its the way it is because WOTC/Hasbro has decided to become the heavy handed control freaks so many other corporations are. I do not support such businesses or their practices any more than I have too. This idea that whats good for the company is good for the consumer is a complete falsehood. Its only good for the company. Only when people like me are in the minority.
I believe corporations are to be there for me, not their bottom line and making it as fat as possible. That just means I pay more to get less.
So if this is as restrictive and controlling as it appears, products from WOTC and Hasbro are products I don't need to have.
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