Festival of Halina (Orsal Judging)


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El Jefe said:
OOC:[sblock]I guess I read too much into post 901.[/sblock]
OOC: You may have heard the offer, but GW disapeared too before he could answer that, and I wasn't sure what he would say, so I assumed he didn't bring anyone else, as Fang was (getting?) busy, and Sunny became otherwise preocupied.
 

Bront said:
The mayor says "I am willing to let this pass, if he will do right and marry my daughter. He will be required to find gainful employment, for I won't have my daugher marry a useless bum. And he shall not leave town till I am satisfied that he won't run off."
"But he already has a job", Oirhandir interjected. "Ten crowns a day for helping to guard Ingus's wagons at night, plus another 400 crowns for guarding them on the journey back to Orussus when the festival is over. Surely 'bums' don't work for that kind of coin!"
 

Rystil Arden said:
(OOC: Well, Sunny obviously wouldn't, but Lasair was thinking of Joe Commoner [the most likely offender in something like this] :))
OOC: Joe Commoner would just get married (which is the point of having the fine so high - should Joe decide to "love 'em and leave 'em", the fine would provide maintenance of the object of his temporary affections). One way or another, he's going to pay...2000 gp up front, or a few silvers a week for 30-40 years on the "installment plan".
 

Bront said:
OOC: You may have heard the offer, but GW disapeared too before he could answer that, and I wasn't sure what he would say, so I assumed he didn't bring anyone else, as Fang was (getting?) busy, and Sunny became otherwise preocupied.
OOC:[sblock]Preoccupied with a matter of great philosophical import? Whether or not it was possible to drain an everful keg? :lol: [/sblock]
 

El Jefe said:
OOC: Joe Commoner would just get married (which is the point of having the fine so high - should Joe decide to "love 'em and leave 'em", the fine would provide maintenance of the object of his temporary affections). One way or another, he's going to pay...2000 gp up front, or a few silvers a week for 30-40 years on the "installment plan".
(OOC: Not really. You would imagine that you wouldn't want a rapist to marry the girl, right? But the fine is 'much higher' for rape...)
 

OOC: No, for "Carnal Knowledge", it's get parental permission, get married, pay 2000 gp or jail time AND hard labor. For rape, "the price is much higher", which could mean just about anything. The law seems designed to encourage couples who can't keep their hands off each other to marry, while leaving several possible alternatives if the parents are adamantly opposed to marriage. That's different from rape, for which the penalty rather ominously has not been specified in-game.
 

El Jefe said:
"But he already has a job", Oirhandir interjected. "Ten crowns a day for helping to guard Ingus's wagons at night, plus another 400 crowns for guarding them on the journey back to Orussus when the festival is over. Surely 'bums' don't work for that kind of coin!"
"But what trust do I have that he will return? My daughter may be amicable to the marriage, but I will not let her be burdened with a husband who deserts her when it is convienent for him." The mayor says.

OOC: Of note, the mayor said "I am willing to let this pass" before the marriage offer, which could also be worded "I will not bring charges". The Marriage part need not nessessarily be law, but a simple compromise allowable by law. Obviously, this is usually only acceptable in cases of "young love" and has to be agreeable by both parties, though it has the feel of a crossbow wedding. I am enjoying all your inferences as to what the laws are and their fairness or not, even if they are a bit off due to lack of information. :)
 

(OOC: Yes, not only does the marriage seem to be a compromise to duck the law, but also, there are clear situations where it would not be an option. What is Joe Peasant is married? If he can't pay 2,000 gold and is forced to work off that money in hard labour, he's screwed)
 

Bront said:
"But what trust do I have that he will return? My daughter may be amicable to the marriage, but I will not let her be burdened with a husband who deserts her when it is convienent for him." The mayor says.
Oirhandir blinked. Obviously the man was sorely taxed by recent events, since he didn't seem to be thinking clearly.

"We still haven't heard from Sunny", he replied, "who still has some control over his own fate. Although his options seemed to have narrowed considerably from this morning." He paused, waiting for Sunny to make up his mind, then continued: "And what if they decide to run off together? Even if you catch him while he is still in your lands, you can't punish him for deserting a wife who is right by his side. I'd think many a young bride would enjoy spending a honeymoon in Orussus, especially if her husband stood to gain 400 crowns by making the trip. But enough. Fair Daphne has made her choice, now Sunny must make his."
Bront said:
OOC: Of note, the mayor said "I am willing to let this pass" before the marriage offer, which could also be worded "I will not bring charges". The Marriage part need not nessessarily be law, but a simple compromise allowable by law.
OOC: True, but "willing to let this pass" was conditional on the marriage. And if there is a longstanding custom of forgoing prosecution if a marriage is agreeable to all, that is, to use a Latin phrase, de facto the law, even if it isn't written down anywhere.

Ultimately, Oirhandir is just trying to negotiate whatever agreement is most beneficial to all parties, regardless of what the laws are. As far as he's concerned, things are going reasonably well, all things considered. Although he still thinks it profoundly weird that anyone would get married on just a few days notice...it must be some silly human thing.
 

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