Find the Anime Challenge

[Raven Crowking]

Ok, since I cannot give donuts, I have a new reward.

To anyone who can find three examples of anime art from any WOTC Dungeons and Dragons book, I will add the following to my sig for a year:

____________ is the greatest god(dess) of gaming and has proven me to be the biggest schmuck of the internet. They have defeated my anime challenge and I hereby declare that 3e art is fully inspired by anime.

How's that?

So, to anyone, please, let's see it.

If, however, after one month, no one can find three examples, then all who take the challenge shall SHUT THE **** UP about anime in 3e art forevermore.

So, are you hard enough?

Just so we are clear what the original rules were. The contest was "three examples of anime art from any WOTC Dungeons and Dragons book", the time limit was a month, and now both have been accomplished, regardless of whether or not Hussar later moved the bar.

The only question now is, will he keep his word?

 

[Cadfan]

What were the three, Raven Crowking?

I have to admit though, that he's come out of this thread looking a lot prettier than those who went into it proclaiming that D&D was turning anime.

 

[Raven Crowking]

What were the three, Raven Crowking?

I have to admit though, that he's come out of this thread looking a lot prettier than those who went into it proclaiming that D&D was turning anime.

(1) Tiefling image,
(2) Image by UDON Studios, (meets original conditions, which state nothing about the art being reused from Paizo, and nothing about when the 3e book came out) (Hussar on his "disqualification" of image: "I know that's lame.")
(3) Multiple pieces by same artist as tiefling image. (Hussar: "I'll buy that artist has some pretty heavy anime leanings." Yet he needs "more time with those" and he'll "get back to you.")

That's more than three by my count.

I am curious, though, exactly who went into this contest "proclaiming that D&D was turning anime"? I must have missed that post.

 

[Arnwyn]

I have to admit though, that he's come out of this thread looking a lot prettier than those who went into it proclaiming that D&D was turning anime.

Which was nobody, since the OP couldn't even substantiate that (though I'm curious to see 3 examples of such claims... oh, *ahem*).

This thread is one giant strawman.

Let's just be very clear here:
1) Some people think there is an anime influence in "D&D" or "3e" (never "WotC", incidentally - suggesting otherwise is flat-out dishonest).
2) We've seen examples of anime influence in "D&D" and "3e" in this very thread. Paizo, by the way, is - by definition - considered "D&D" and "3e" (again: no one will ever find a complaint that says something along the lines of "WotC is too anime!"). In any case, the use/re-use of UDON in even one WotC product seals it.
3) Anime-influenced artwork seems to be extremely rare, as somewhat reasonably shown by this thread over the period of time this thread has existed.
4) Some people consider that what anime-influenced artwork there is, is already too much for them, and thus they make their complaint.

The only thing that can be up for debate is #4: whether those who make the complaint are being reasonable... and trying to debate someone's personal preferences (even if it is a rather creepy pasttime here at ENWorld) won't get anyone very far (Hussar's completely nonsensical "challenge" notwithstanding [don't feel like you need to respond and beat your dead horse, Hussar - you can ignore me just as well as anyone, thanks]).



(But I'll comment just for fun anyways, since it's slow at the office today: I do think that any complaints about anime in D&D are completely unreasonable! There is simply too little to be material in any way [even if there were triple or quadruple etc examples in this thread] and thus complaining about such a tiny number probably means one is too difficult to please overall.)

 

[Rel]

Raven Crowking, your .sig is uncalled for. Change it immediately and don't post any more in this thread. This is not a request.

 

[TwinBahamut]

So, you change the rules when people meet the challenge. :O Interesting...

TwinBahamut, It is like I said. People that want to look down on anime will use qualifier after qualifier to disregard proofs - be it either changing the rules of the contest AFTER proofs are in submission or blatant disregard of evidence. So, yeah - really... There is no hardly about it. The proof is there when y'all decide to admit the loss.

Wait, what? Are you labelling me as "someone who looks down on anime"? Err... You seem to be totally misunderstanding my purpose in this thread.

I am claiming that there is currently no significant anime influence on D&D art. I am mostly doing so in the vain hope that some of the people who complain about the "ugly anime influence ruining D&D" would leave one of my hobbies alone for a while. I really like anime art, and would love to have more D&D art be more anime-style. However, I don't think it is anime-style currently, and thus the word "anime" should not be applied to the many problems of bad 3E art.

I am pretty sure a lot of us here are all of that same opinion.

 

[TwinBahamut]

4) Some people consider that what anime-influenced artwork there is, is already too much for them, and thus they make their complaint.

The only thing that can be up for debate is #4: whether those who make the complaint are being reasonable... and trying to debate someone's personal preferences (even if it is a rather creepy pasttime here at ENWorld) won't get anyone very far (Hussar's completely nonsensical "challenge" notwithstanding [don't feel like you need to respond and beat your dead horse, Hussar - you can ignore me just as well as anyone, thanks]).



(But I'll comment just for fun anyways, since it's slow at the office today: I do think that any complaints about anime in D&D are completely unreasonable! There is simply too little to be material in any way [even if there were triple or quadruple etc examples in this thread] and thus complaining about such a tiny number probably means one is too difficult to please overall.)

I think the problem is not that people are complaining about the anime that is actually in D&D art. Instead, the problem is that people are complaining about the anime art which does not in fact exist. Namely, people claiming that inconics like Krusk or Hennet are anime, and using them to denounce the "anime influence". Since Krusk and Hennet are demonstratably not-anime in style, that is a problem.

The few pieces of art in D&D that are obviously anime influenced have not been mentioned on an anime thread on EN World ever. This thread is the first time even I have seen them.

 

[Kafen]

TwinBahamut, nah.. The topic is a challenge. It is not a fair challenge if the OP raises the standards everytime people meet his reqs. Other than that, I am not trying to imply anything about your intent, no offense intended.

"ugly anime influence ruining D&D"

Woah, where did that train come from? :O As an artist, I have to say there is no way to ruin something by creating new art. On a personal level, I have to say that one of my first posts on this forum was an anime image along with a map way back in the day. I got all kinds of feedback on it. Did anime influence my art? Yup.. Did anime ruin my art? Nope...

Here is a question to ask yourself and anybody that thinks anime art is ruining your day. Has any of the poorest drawings ever printed in books stopped people from buying books? If the answer is yes, I humbly submit that the problem is not with the art. It is one thing if the book contains hundreds of typos, but a couple of BESM images have no bearing on literary content at the end of the day in my opinion.

 

[Maggan]

Woah, where did that train come from? :O

You seem to have missed many of the "3e D&D art is anime and the game sucks because of it" posts that litter the internet.

Count yourself lucky.

/M

 

[Nifft]

You seem to have missed many of the "3e D&D art is anime and the game sucks because of it" posts that litter the internet.

On this site, that idea was pretty rampant until this very thread.

So thanks, Hussar.

(Incidentally, it's nice if the "too anime" thing were really able to be curtailed by this sort of examination -- the "too videogame" thing that happened last edition stuck around forever.)

Cheers -- N