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Firefly bores me...

You know, I was watching Firely with a friend of mine, and I couldn't help feel that the pilot did drag along. Say what you want about Fox mucking up the show, but I now definitely feel that they were spot on about the pilot. The rest of mucking... not so much.
 

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Darth Shoju said:
I thought they were swearing in Mandarin? Then again, it could be babble disguised as Mandarin for all I know.
It is Mandarin, but their language experts (if they can be called that) need a hard spanking. As a native speaker, most of the spoken Chinese was either incomprehensible or so badly enunciated that it could hardly be recognized. Sure, it's hard to teach a tonal language, but the result on firefly did not deserve even an "E" for effort.

The cursing is just that, cursing. Most of it "G" rated, and nothing that would make my mother blush. (When they first see "Serenity" they say this is a piece of rubbish. That's about as mean as the cursing gets. I could probably produce more Mandarin cuss words at will)

That said, the show is pretty good, and I'll probably go see the movie.
 

Thorin Stoutfoot said:
As a native speaker, most of the spoken Chinese was either incomprehensible or so badly enunciated that it could hardly be recognized.

Combine English & Mandarin speakers into a single culture & fast forward a couple of hundred years.

Do you think you will be able to understand what they are saying 90% of the time?

Try reading Olde English sometime. ;)
 

Krieg said:
Combine English & Mandarin speakers into a single culture & fast forward a couple of hundred years.
End Result: Chinatown. ;)

Kind makes you wonder how the New York lingo from Queens, Bronx, and Brooklyn evolved.

Just Kidding.
 

JoeGKushner said:
Another thing that bothered me was the fake swearing. Either do it and bleep it or leave it alone. That just seemed fake and added for a little 'attitude' and it didn't take with me.
Yeah, because they bleep swearing on television dramas all the time... And just FYI, another language != "fake".

In any case, this is clearly different strokes sort of thing. Nothing is ever enjoyable to everyone all the time.
 

arnwyn said:
Yeah, because they bleep swearing on television dramas all the time... And just FYI, another language != "fake".

I thought he was referring to them saying 'goram' instead of, ah, "gosh darn" (to make it grandma safe). I don't think that's Mandarin.

J
 

JoeG... can I ask what SF television you do like?

I can easily see being unimpressed with Firefly as an SF fan. Firely is SF solely by virtue of being set in the future (in space). It didn't employ any of the major SF themes/motifs, no angsting about rapid cultural/technological change, no invoking then de-fanging the Armageddon, no 'what's the role of man in the universe after we meet more sentient races with funny noses, not even one uppity AI demanding to treated as a person... It was about struggling with being us, right now[/i].

It could have been set aboard a boat in Thailand , or in the real Old West, or any boarderland place between the First and Third Worlds.

But not liking the characters (or at least respecting what Whedon did with them, and the actors portrayals)? So much of the dialogue was wonderful, and not just in Whedon's trademark clever-clever way. It cleanly and quickly delineated --what is it-- 8 primary characters? That's no mean feat. Plus moved each self-contained yet interwoven story along. I've never seen a show that was simulaneously as entertaining and efficient.

And I think what Firefly's (rather enthusiastic) supporters are reacting to is the way Firefly was good at what so many SF shows are bad at; to whit, character development and the creation of believable conflicts. Consider how awful B5 was at the day-to-day interplay between the human characters, I loved the show, but found most of the spoken dialogue outside of the certain aliens and the speechmaking to be embarrassing. B5 was often great in theory, but lousy in execution.

Or consider the later incarnations of Trek, which replaced real dramatic conflict with a dull, predeterminded game of "What would Starfleet do" (later DS9 excpeted, of course)?
 


I'm all over the place on sci-fi but note, that I don't think all of the episodes are great and some of them are just nostalgic.

Star Trek Enterprise and latter parts of Deep Space 9 (hated Voyager and haven't watched Enterprise)

Babylon 5 (hey look, aliens in a sci-fi setting... how about that!)

Star Gate I can take or leave, although I did enjoy the movie.

Speaking of movies...

Event Horizion

Alien (and Aliens)

Cowboy Bebop (anime but in space setting)

2001 (talk about a bore fest, but some good stuff there)

Star Wars (mostly nostalgia. Comics, cartoons, and novels have been done better than the crap Lucas has hoisted on us lately.)
 


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