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Firefly bores me...

Umbran said:
"Ceaselss negativity"? I never said (or thought) your opinion was in the realm of "ceaseless negativity". Those aren't my words, or my thoughts.



Um, no. That's not what "practice what I preach" means. If I went around giving one-sentence opinions myself, then you'd have a case on me. But failing to catch every single case of someone else doing so doesn't mean I'm not living up to my stated standards. Sorry.



Wow. I didn't think you were such a horribly rude person.

Simply put, you are not the Great Kreskin, and have no proven psychic powers or ability to read minds ove the internet. You are not in a position to make a claim that I am lying. And in doing so, you show that you won't keep to civil conversation, and will choose to accuse and insult another person rather than simply keep to the subject. Bad form. Bad enough that you've made it clear that you aren't interested in discussion.

No, but being selective in your criticism is. So here is how I will call you on it. If I ever see you post in a thread where there are one sentence criticisms of ANYTHING and you fail to bring it up, I'll helpfully point them out to you. If you conveniently drop out of the thread time and time again..well..that would be pretty consistent with my hunch.
 

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What were we talking about again?

Oh yeah...

Joe, did you ever manage to watch anymore of Firefly?...and if so, is your opinion still pretty much the same?

:)
 

I've decided I'm going to count backwards 14 weeks from the release of Serenity and watch an episode a week, every Friday, to get me all ready for the movie. I can hardly wait until September now...this is going to be great!

Johnathan
 


I have finished watching it.

Overall I give it 2.5 stars.

Too many characters and most of them were too sketchy. That might've been cured in future episodes but it was weak of the director/creator to think he had all that time to flesh the material out. They could've went with the original crew and kept the doctor, his sister, and the sheperd out of the whole first season and worked on fleshing out the core crew more. I still have no grasp of the personality/style of the pilot or his wife, outside of him being a good pilot and her being an old work friend of the captain. Heck, even the mercenary didn't seem to have much depth to him although he did seem to be developing some.

Spoiler Space...

The big betryal on disk three was exceptionaly weak. He betrays two people who've caused trouble for everyone and from a woman whose stabbed him. Heck, a real betrayal would've been him giving up the Firefly and it's crew as opposed to the two strangers of the crew. Just my opinion though.

The Heart of Gold episode was a nice tribute to good old Seven Samurai or the western version where a smaller force faces a larger force but really didn't showcase the characters having any intelligence. The real trick would've been having the merc stay in town, when the big speech is given, assassinate the guy from across town, and lie low as opposed to getting involved in a shoot out where they know they're outgunned. Military intellignece once again shows it's an oxymoron.
 


KaintheSeeker said:
Of course I don't understand why reality tv takes off like it does.

Reality TV takes off not because people watch it in droves, but because it is an order of magnitude cheaper to produce. Therefore an relatively unwatched reality show (but still good enough to get a few sponsors) is far more profitable than a reasonably successful regular show. The first (that I know of) major reality show was the Real World on MTV. They wanted to do a teenage/early 20s soap, and were told that if they could do it without having writers, paid actors, or a real set they could do it. So the reality concept was born.

I watched the first three seasons, then lost interest. Reality TV for me was 'been-there, done-that' about a decade ago.

Firefly was another in a long tradition of shows on Fox that were too good to stay on the air. I hope Joss steers clear of them in the future, should he return to TV.
 

JoeGKushner said:
I still have no grasp of the personality/style of the pilot or his wife, outside of him being a good pilot and her being an old work friend of the captain. Heck, even the mercenary didn't seem to have much depth to him although he did seem to be developing some.

Really? I though the episode where Wash and Mal get captured really illuminates both Wash's and Zoe's personalities, as well as shedding insight on that weird relationship triangle and the tensions therein. I knew more about Wash & Zoe at the end of that episode than I knew about a Star Trek character after a full season.

Wash, as a character:
* Is a damn good pilot.
* Is very gentle and sensitive when he's not in the pilot's seat.
* Loves being goofy.
* Adores his wife.
* Is insecure about his lack of manliness.
* Doesn't realize that his wife is aware of, and exasperated by, this insecurity.
* Resents Mal's manliness, and resents his reliance on it.

I could give you a similar list for Zoe, derived mostly but not exclusively from that episode.

The big betryal on disk three was exceptionaly weak. He betrays two people who've caused trouble for everyone and from a woman whose stabbed him. Heck, a real betrayal would've been him giving up the Firefly and it's crew as opposed to the two strangers of the crew. Just my opinion though.

Again, I had just the opposite reaction. Jayne is in awe of Mal: Mal is smarter than he is, more powerful than he is (inasmuch as Mal can lead other people), and just as hardcore as he is. Jayne's struggle on the show is figuring out what it means to follow a man like Mal, and what he must become to be worthy of this. Had Jayne betrayed all of Serenity, it would've been out of character for him.

As it was, he was able to rationalize the betrayal in his mind, and the genius of the episode was that you could sort of sympathize with what he did--like you said, he'd gotten stabbed by River just prior to the betrayal. And yet what he did was monstrous and stupid. Jayne may be hardcore, but he's no planner, no Macchiavelli: the captain sees through this justifiable, horrific betrayal with no difficulty at all. And you get the airlock scene, one of my favorite bits from the whole series. Jayne's spark of self-awareness, the spasmodic pulse of a newborn morality, is beautiful to watch.

Long ago I had a writing teacher tell me that the perfect ending to a story was completely unpredictable and totally inevitable. The end to that episode was both. I loved it.

Again, just my opinion.

Daniel
 


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