Viking Bastard
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Just a little nitpick. I believe it's Paramount that owns Star Trek and UPN, not Universal.Shadowdancer said:
Firefly cancelled!
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Shadowdancer
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I can never remember if Paramount owns Universal, or Universal owns Paramount. But IIRC, they are parts of the same corporate entity.
rangerjohn
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Hence UPN.....
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John Crichton
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This is correct.Lady Mer said:
Unseelie
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FYI...
Viacom owns Paramount, which includes UPN. They also own Showtime and MTV for what that's worth.
Vivendi Universal owns Universal. They also own USA Networks, which includes the SciFi channel.
Paramount and Universal are most decidedly not part of the same corporate entity.
Viacom owns Paramount, which includes UPN. They also own Showtime and MTV for what that's worth.
Vivendi Universal owns Universal. They also own USA Networks, which includes the SciFi channel.
Paramount and Universal are most decidedly not part of the same corporate entity.
Viking Bastard
Adventurer
Thought so.
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad
Negative Zero said:in the news section of tvtome.com's Firefly section, they report that:
now i'm assuming that they meant zap2it, but i can't confirm this report on the zap2it website. anyone else have better luck?
Umbran, you certainly have much greater intestinal fortitude than i if you still watch Enterprise!
seriously though, it just seesawed too much bettween occasional brilliance and all around crap to keep me as a viewer. after suffering through Voyager, i couldn't gring myself to wear the "Trek-fan" mantle again. especially when good fare was so sporadic.
~NegZ
Zap2it referenced this page:
http://www.fireflysupport.com/
The page confirms talks with UPN. However any tie-in with Buffy is pure speculation on the posters part.
By the way, I happen to LOVE Enterprise. I think people forget how truly sucky the first couple of seasons of Next Generation was. Enterprise is FAR better than the first season of NG, no question about it.
Ranger REG
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No, ENTERPRISE is more of rehashing old stories. It is also Brannon Braga's show, and I can't tell you enough how much I hated him for what he has done to VOYAGER. 
He's a great writer (when someone else above him is editing his work), but he suck as a producer.
Although I am glad that UPN is interested (which may be an ominous sign that ENTERPRISE and Star Trek is heading out) but it's a whammy for those like me who live in Hawaii and can't watch UPN (there is no longer a channel dedicated to UPN programming), unless local TV stations are willing to buy airtime for Firefly.
He's a great writer (when someone else above him is editing his work), but he suck as a producer.
Although I am glad that UPN is interested (which may be an ominous sign that ENTERPRISE and Star Trek is heading out) but it's a whammy for those like me who live in Hawaii and can't watch UPN (there is no longer a channel dedicated to UPN programming), unless local TV stations are willing to buy airtime for Firefly.
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Whodat
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As it stands now, UPN is the most likely network to give Firefly a chance.
On average, Enterprise is pulling in about a 3.0 in the ratings and has dropped out of the top 100 several times this season. Despite having an established audience, and the fact that it airs on Wednesday nights, the show is performing far below the network’s expectations. In fact, Enterprise’s second-season ratings are comparable to those of Firefly before it was cancelled. Executive producer Rick Berman has already confessed that they are going to try spicing up the show with more sex and violence in order to attract viewers.
But now it looks like UPN may be waiting until the end of the season before they officially do or say anything about the future of Enterprise. In other words, they are not standing behind the show, nor are they guaranteeing that it will be around for next season.
Unfortunately for UPN, Enterprise is an expensive little show to produce. First – lots of aliens mean lots of latex and make-up. Second – because fanboys demand eye-candy, the show also has an overabundance of special effects. And the way the actors interact with so many of the special effects (phaser battles, computer data screens, CGI creatures, etc.) means that a lot of the special effects have to be joined with the live-action in post-production. Joss has cleverly worked around those problems on Firefly by using slug-thrower weapons and very little make-up. I’ve seen very few composite shots where actors interact with CGI effects. The shots are either completely CGI, or require no post-production special effects. Simple. Effective. Cheap.
My speculation is that if Buffy is gone next year, and Enterprise is already in trouble, UPN may be the most likely candidate to scoop up Firefly – if for no other reason than to have something to show next season... assuming UPN is willing to take a chance on a decent, semi-established show like Firefly.
On average, Enterprise is pulling in about a 3.0 in the ratings and has dropped out of the top 100 several times this season. Despite having an established audience, and the fact that it airs on Wednesday nights, the show is performing far below the network’s expectations. In fact, Enterprise’s second-season ratings are comparable to those of Firefly before it was cancelled. Executive producer Rick Berman has already confessed that they are going to try spicing up the show with more sex and violence in order to attract viewers.
But now it looks like UPN may be waiting until the end of the season before they officially do or say anything about the future of Enterprise. In other words, they are not standing behind the show, nor are they guaranteeing that it will be around for next season.
Unfortunately for UPN, Enterprise is an expensive little show to produce. First – lots of aliens mean lots of latex and make-up. Second – because fanboys demand eye-candy, the show also has an overabundance of special effects. And the way the actors interact with so many of the special effects (phaser battles, computer data screens, CGI creatures, etc.) means that a lot of the special effects have to be joined with the live-action in post-production. Joss has cleverly worked around those problems on Firefly by using slug-thrower weapons and very little make-up. I’ve seen very few composite shots where actors interact with CGI effects. The shots are either completely CGI, or require no post-production special effects. Simple. Effective. Cheap.
My speculation is that if Buffy is gone next year, and Enterprise is already in trouble, UPN may be the most likely candidate to scoop up Firefly – if for no other reason than to have something to show next season... assuming UPN is willing to take a chance on a decent, semi-established show like Firefly.
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