Firing into a Antil magic shell

[Bauglir]

Shouldn't the bow's bonus to damage, then, be more like a Bull's Strength on the wielder than a Greater Magic Weapon on the arrow?

That's my take on it. The bow ceases to influence the arrow the moment it leaves the string, so any magic bonuses from the bow would already be applied at that moment.

As for the Boots question - well I'd just halve the 'movement cost' outside the AMF, and apply it fully within.

So if a creature with a move of 30 and BoSaS starts 20ft from an AMF and moves into it, upon arriving at the AMF they would have used 10ft of their move, and thus be able to move a further 20ft within the AMF. Should they then in turn move only 10ft inside the AMF, then pass outside it again, they could move 20ft further (10ft left, doubled by BoSaS)

 

[Camarath]

Ok so you apply the full bonus from the bow in this situation. But is the arrow outside the antimagic field at the time of the attack? If it is I would think it would give you a bonus to that roll. So where and when does the attack action occur?

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

Here's an alternative 'chronology' of the flight of the arrow:

1) The arrow leaves the bow, fully magically enhanced.
2) It reaches the AMF, and the magical enhancements that would have made it hit the opponent (and damage him) are removed, thus the arrow wavers slightly in the air, and instead of punching through his shoulder, merely clips it, doing no damage.
3) The target suffers no damage.

That's another interpretation.

Personally, I would rule that since magic weapons don't work in a AMF, you don't get the hit bonus from your enhancement. And if you tried to rules lawyer me, I'd rule 0 it and walk away. Sorry if that upsets you.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Personally, I would rule that since magic weapons don't work in a AMF, you don't get the hit bonus from your enhancement.

How would you rule the Cat's Grace/Bull's Strength situation?

What about Bracers of Archery?

-Hyp.

 

[Bauglir]

If as you say, the arrow is 'fully magically enhanced' when launched from a magical bow, how then do you explain the fact that said arrow has no DR-penetrating properties?

Secondly, the fact that enchantments such as flaming are each explicitly described as 'bestowed upon ammunition' implies that by default, enhancement bonuses apply only to the launcher.

(So if a +2 flaming bow were to fire a non-magical arrow at a target in an AMF, the arrow would strike with +2 to hit and damage, but no flaming component)

You are of course welcome to rule any way you please, however in my opinion this interpretation is correct under the rules.

 

[Anditch]

Firing into an anti magic shell

Thanks guys for the ideas much appreciated.The thing i see is this as a deepwood sniper i have a range inc of 325 yards so does this that the Anti magic shell is effecting my bow from that distance away i think not. It would if i was inside the shell. So why would the effects be the same if i was standing inside the shell or outside of it.How can a NON MAGICAL ARROW entering AMS tamper with a magical bow over 300 yards away. Even though the arrow has been fired with a +2 bow its still non magical. All the plusses to hit are aim points. As u look down the bow with 1 eye closed your are looking for gaps in the armour etc to pierce through or u r using your acuracy to hit and penetrate its flesh as soon as that has been calculated which ends the 2nd the arrow leaves bow then its down to how far into the body or what it hits inside the body on how much damage u do. I do use the Bracers of archery and i reckon that i should get the +1 to hit but not the +2 to damage. As the +1 is calculated outside of the shell and that then differs from me standing inside. otherwise the AMS area effect is moving to surround me and my bow which in my eyes is totally crap.This to me makes the most sence.Gosh i wish DnD wasnt so complicated ANyone for a game of draughts

 

[Hypersmurf]

Re: Firing into an anti magic shell

I do use the Bracers of archery and i reckon that i should get the +1 to hit but not the +2 to damage.

It's a Competence bonus. The damage bonus should still apply.

-Hyp.

 

[Pax]

Anditch, this is the way I see it: you should get full bonusses benefits effects and so on for any item(s) that never enter the Antimagic Field.

However, you should not get bonusses for any item(s) that DO enter the Antimagic field.

In your case, that means you lose any magical bonusses inherent to teh ARROW, but, you retain all others.

YMMV of course.

 

[Camarath]

Personally, I would rule that since magic weapons don't work in a AMF, you don't get the hit bonus from your enhancement. And if you tried to rules lawyer me, I'd rule 0 it and walk away. Sorry if that upsets you.

Tallarn the point fo the chronology I presented was the placement and timing of the attack roll and damage roll. This I feel is the cirtical issue. Wile I understand your interprtation, I do not understand how one is denied a bonus from an item that has not been suppressed yet. Where and when does your attack roll happen? I think it happens in your own square before the arrow leaves your square. Am I wrong?

Also I am not upset. Pax maybe but I am not. Sorry if I have come across as rude I did not mean to if I did. This is not a gaming secession it is a rule forum and I thought I could discusse how the rules should be interprited here. I would not do this during a game or even after if the DM ruled on it. My interest here is game mechanics not power gaming.

 

[Camarath]

Shouldn't the bow's bonus to damage, then, be more like a Bull's Strength on the wielder than a Greater Magic Weapon on the arrow?

Hypersmurf that makes sense to me.

That's my take on it. The bow ceases to influence the arrow the moment it leaves the string, so any magic bonuses from the bow would already be applied at that moment.

I think that the attack roll is concluded when the arrow leaves the bow thus I have a hard time understanding how the Enhancement bonus of the arrow would not be applied to hit since the attack roll is concluded before the bonus is suppressed.

If as you say, the arrow is 'fully magically enhanced' when launched from a magical bow, how then do you explain the fact that said arrow has no DR-penetrating properties?

Bauglir I agree that the enhancement bonus of the bow is not bestowed upon the arrow. I was wrong when I said that. Thank you Bauglir and Hypersmurf for explaining and pointing that out to me. In the case of a magical arrow (with it's own bonus) being fired into an antimagic field I do believe that the arrow is still magical when it leaves the bow but loses it bonus before it hits the traget. Since I think the attack roll happens as the arrow leaves the bow I think the arrows bonus would apply to the attack roll. I am sorry if I keep asking this question if no one wants to answer it. Where and when does the ranged attack occur if not in your own square before the arrow leaves your square?