D&D 5E First World: Possibly One of the New D&D setting?

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Is the first world the same as Abeir-Toril?

No, it isn't.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

No, it isn't.

Is it the same as Aarth?

 

[Rogerd1]

3PP can do anything they want,* we were talking about WotC. In that instance you are wrong. From the DMG sidebar on Divine Ranks:

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Greater gods are: "...beyond mortal understanding." They can't even truly be harmed by mortals at all. Also, notice it says gods can have different ranks on different worlds.

They even upgrades lesser gods recently as Tiamat's avatar in Fizban's is a CR30 mythic monster (which = 2 level 30 monsters). Still not as epic as my CR 32 Tiamat.

You see DC cosmology is a lot better here.

https://www.cosmicteams.com/newgods/images/new52/multiversity-guidebook-d.jpg

This makes far more sense than DnD's.

* Am actually working on a 5e version of the old Immortal Rules called Ascension, The Codex of Exalted. It is very much a WIP. However, in this supplement gods control Authority and can shape reality to their will with this power. A powerfully enough god can create or destroy a reality with one use of their Authority. It is a limited resource.

Now destroying a reality is a power in Lords of Olympus game, an Amber offshoot and cousin to the Lords of Gossamer rpg. Now in LoO players can have this power too, and according to RPGPundit, when Wujick gave him some rpg advice, he said let the players use their powers and do not restrict them. So the addendum in this game is that some realities are claimed. Plus the descriptions of the Primordials may help you with your next stages of this....

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Parallel universes do mirror some scientific theories. The pop culture references tend to be off base too. I particularly hate the pop culture approach that discribes a new reality being spawn whenever we make a decision. That is so utterly ridiculous I have a hard time being rational about it!

It is still scientific theory, and is part of Max Tegmark's multiple level multiverse.

I prefer things that don't make complete sense. It should not be fully explained or understood IMO. In fact, we can't fully explain or understand it. In 4e, they sometimes had conflicting bits of cosmologic lore. It didn't try to say this was the one true way. It said simple that this is what some people think. That is all you need. You absolutely do not need to be concrete.

I prefer some bits to be more set in stone, and some bits to be subject to opinion and contradictory lore. As I feel, it gives you a base of how the multiverse works. Now another rpg with a better cosmology would be Modern Age: Threefold. It has three transcendent deities each seeking to be god - Abraxas the maker of myths, Logos who stands for Order, and Nemesis the harvester of souls. Trouble is they don't exist yet, as we haven't made them. But because they stand outside of time they are battling for supremacy.

Even if you do not like the Age system, it is absolutely worth picking up for this alone.

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[Rogerd1]

No one has a license to produce "official" epic stuff for 5e. DMsGuild stuff and things produced under the OGL are not "official" D&D content in any way. Official = WotC approved, recognized, & canon.

For example Epic Characters is a 3PP supplement to take characters from lvl 20-30. This is in no way official. WotC is under no obligation to abided by any mechanics or lore provided in this book, or any other 3PP supplement.

What do you mean by "official?"

There is a follow on supplement for this, and it is much better, and it also has a setting attached to it which is similar to Pathfinder 7 Seraphs, or other multiverse cities.
Is there anything saying it is not official, as if it made under license why would it be unofficial? That makes no sense.

The only parts of D&D myth worth being true are the dragon bits

Hell no!

That's not how that works.

Is there an official statement of some such?

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

A "clone" of the First World, a demiplane created to be a copy of this, may be possible.

My theory is we will see the return of Councyl of Wyrms, but with a lot of things based in Chris Perkins' homebred setting Iomandra. If the PCs can be dragons, then we will need a lot of playtesting and feedbag for the monster classes. I have adviced several times in the past to allow enough space to add later more dragons, for example cobra dragons, mist dragons or pearl dragons.

 

[dave2008]

There is a follow on supplement for this, and it is much better, and it also has a setting attached to it which is similar to Pathfinder 7 Seraphs, or other multiverse cities.
Is there anything saying it is not official, as if it made under license why would it be unofficial? That makes no sense.

It is not made "under license." Stuff on DMs Guild and made with the OGL is not made with a license from WotC to produce D&D content. That is not how it works. You are confusion a general license (like the OGL) and being under license with WotC.

If you don't understand that I simply don't have the time to do your homework. Ask any reputable publisher who makes content via the OGL or DMsGuild and they or their legal team can explain it better than I can.

 

[Rogerd1]

A "clone" of the First World, a demiplane created to be a copy of this, may be possible.

My theory is we will see the return of Councyl of Wyrms, but with a lot of things based in Chris Perkins' homebred setting Iomandra. If the PCs can be dragons, then we will need a lot of playtesting and feedbag for the monster classes. I have adviced several times in the past to allow enough space to add later more dragons, for example cobra dragons, mist dragons or pearl dragons.

One of the best settings for dragons is this.

Gossamer Worlds: Dragonhearth (Diceless) - Rite Publishing | Diceless | DriveThruRPG.com

Gossamer Worlds: Dragonhearth (Diceless) - The Grand Stair stretches behind the scenes of the multiverse, The Doors upon its unfathomably vast span leading the way

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The whole plane is made of well...dragons.

 

[dave2008]

You see DC cosmology is a lot better here.

https://www.cosmicteams.com/newgods/images/new52/multiversity-guidebook-d.jpg

This makes far more sense than DnD's.

I fail to see how this snip makes any more sense than D&D. I don't even know what they are talking about, there is not enough context in what you posted.

Now destroying a reality is a power in Lords of Olympus game, an Amber offshoot and cousin to the Lords of Gossamer rpg. Now in LoO players can have this power too, and according to RPGPundit, when Wujick gave him some rpg advice, he said let the players use their powers and do not restrict them. So the addendum in this game is that some realities are claimed. Plus the descriptions of the Primordials may help you with your next stages of this....

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I am really not sure what your point is here, but...OK?

It is still scientific theory, and is part of Max Tegmark's multiple level multiverse.

Sure, and it is a really bad humancentric theory that has no basis in real science IMO. Again, it gets me really agitated so I'm not going there.

I prefer some bits to be more set in stone, and some bits to be subject to opinion and contradictory lore. As I feel, it gives you a base of how the multiverse works.

Of course everyone is different. I have no issue with you wanting something different. I do take issue with you claiming one method is better than the other, like...

Now another rpg with a better cosmology would be Modern Age: Threefold.

That is just your opinion. What is better or worse is primarily subjective.

It has three transcendent deities each seeking to be god - Abraxas the maker of myths, Logos who stands for Order, and Nemesis the harvester of souls. Trouble is they don't exist yet, as we haven't made them. But because they stand outside of time they are battling for supremacy.

That doesn't really interest me at all, and is decidedly worse IMO. But is completely OK if you like it more. It is just not objectively "better."

 

[dave2008]

Is there an official statement of some such?

That is not how it works. It is the other way around. You need an official statement from a WotC and a 3PP for something to be "officially" D&D. Ever wonder why all those 3PP can't legally say Dungeons and Dragons? Well it is not "officially" dungeons and dragons.

Notice everything on DMsGuild has the DMsGuild logo. It can't have the D&D name or logo. It is not official. OGL stuff can't even use WotC IP, so it is even less "official" if that is a thing.

DMs Guild logo:

 

[Rogerd1]

I fail to see how this snip makes any more sense than D&D. I don't even know what they are talking about, there is not enough context in what you posted.

It means that they possess a shard of themselves, some of lesse4r or greater power in each universe. Those shards can be re-assembled which is what is happening under a current DC arc, such that Darkseid has become more powerful than when his fall devastated the multiverse.

Sure, and it is a really bad humancentric theory that has no basis in real science IMO. Again, it gets me really agitated so I'm not going there.

Yes it does have basis in real science as we still have issues with certain particles IIRC, and this sort of solves that, mathematically speaking. And this would not just be human centric, in any way. And ties into Shroedinger's Cat, and all to do with collapsing wave functions.

Of course everyone is different. I have no issue with you wanting something different. I do take issue with you claiming one method is better than the other, like...

That is just your opinion. What is better or worse is primarily subjective.

That doesn't really interest me at all, and is decidedly worse IMO. But is completely OK if you like it more. It is just not objectively "better."

At least there is decent lore in it, it explains a whole heap of things. Which is better with what we have, or rather don't have - which is anything useful.

It is not made "under license." Stuff on DMs Guild and made with the OGL is not made with a license from WotC to produce D&D content. That is not how it works. You are confusion a general license (like the OGL) and being under license with WotC.

If you don't understand that I simply don't have the time to do your homework. Ask any reputable publisher who makes content via the OGL or DMsGuild and they or their legal team can explain it better than I can.

If it made under OGL, then that it obeys official WotC rules, and thus is just as canon as anything else until Wizards say otherwise. At least that is how I see it.

And quite frankly the Jetpack stuff is absolutely brilliant.
Same for Midgard and Southlands. And the art is simply brilliant. Heck there is a lot of 3PP on KS, or Pledge Manager that is well worth a look.