fly + haste + heavy armor = ???

[Bagpuss]

What about a flying hasted Dwarf in heavy armour/or no armour?

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

Anybody else think its stupid that heavy armor slows down your fly speed from a spell? Just curious.

Not me. I think someone in full plate should be slower than someone in no armour. Although maybe changing the maneuverability might be a more appropriate solution.

 

[Vegepygmy]

I think it's quite obvious that it's (60 + 30) x 2 / 3 = 60. Frankly, I'm astonished at the people who are saying it should be 70. Not that people are saying it; who is saying it.

 

[KarinsDad]

Anybody else think its stupid that heavy armor slows down your fly speed from a spell? Just curious.

Yes.

An encumbered Halfing at 80 pounds flys at 40 and a non-encumbered Human at 280 pounds flys at 60.

The Fly rule was based off game mechanics, not common sense.

 

[KarinsDad]

I think it's quite obvious that it's (60 + 30) x 2 / 3 = 60.

Obvious?

What is obvious is that it is open to interpretation, otherwise, we would not be having a discussion.

 

[ThirdWizard]

I think it's quite obvious that it's (60 + 30) x 2 / 3 = 60. Frankly, I'm astonished at the people who are saying it should be 70. Not that people are saying it; who is saying it.

So you say a hasted human fighter in full plate would have a Speed 40? (60*2/3)

I find that overcomplicated, personally... but I can see how it can be arrived at.

I'm in the 70 crowd, myself.

 

[KarinsDad]

So you say a hasted human fighter in full plate would have a Speed 40? (60*2/3)

Actually he would, even with the other interpretation

20 + 30 = 50 (max 2x 20 ) = 40

 

[ThirdWizard]

Actually he would, even with the other interpretation

20 + 30 = 50 (max 2x 20 ) = 40

But, the maxium is for the "normal speed." So, max is +30. 20+30 = 50 Speed.

 

[Bagpuss]

But, the maxium is for the "normal speed." So, max is +30. 20+30 = 50 Speed.

Yes normal speed not Base Speed. A human's Base Speed it 30ft, but his normal speed in full plate is 20ft. Hence a hasted human in full plate only has a speed of 40ft.

 

[ElectricDragon]

In essence, there are three camps:
This one (normal speed = current speed):
Human 30 ft.
Human Heavy Armor 20 ft.
Human Fly spell 60 ft.
Human Heavy Armor Fly spell 40 ft.
Human Hasted 60 ft.
Human Heavy Armor Hasted 40 ft.
Human Heavy Armor Hasted Fly spell 70 ft.
Dwarf 20 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor 20 ft.
Dwarf Fly spell 60 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Fly spell 40 ft.
Dwarf Hasted 40 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Hasted 40 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Hasted Fly spell 70 ft.
Halfling 20 ft.
Halfling Heavy Armor 15 ft.
Halfling Fly spell 60 ft.
Halfling Heavy Armor Fly spell 40 ft.
Halfling Hasted 40 ft.
Halfling Heavy Armor Hasted 30 ft.
Halfling Heavy Armor Hasted Fly spell 70 ft.

Or this one (normal speed = base speed):
Human 30 ft.
Human Heavy Armor 20 ft.
Human Fly spell 60 ft.
Human Heavy Armor Fly spell 40 ft.
Human Hasted 60 ft.
Human Heavy Armor Hasted 50 ft.
Human Heavy Armor Hasted Fly spell 60 ft.
Dwarf 20 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor 20 ft.
Dwarf Fly spell 60 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Fly spell 40 ft.
Dwarf Hasted 40 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Hasted 40 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Hasted Fly spell 60 ft.
Halfling 20 ft.
Halfling Heavy Armor 15 ft.
Halfling Fly spell 60 ft.
Halfling Heavy Armor Fly spell 40 ft.
Halfling Hasted 40 ft.
Halfling Heavy Armor Hasted 35 ft.
Halfling Heavy Armor Hasted Fly spell 60 ft.

Of course I am assuming that the dwarven ability does not stretch to flying and override the spell description, YMMV. Looking at these differences, I am tempted to change my mind about it and go with the "normal speed is current speed" camp.

And then this camp (Dwarves rule!!!):
Human as either of the ones above
Dwarf 20 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor 20 ft.
Dwarf Fly spell 60 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Fly spell 60 ft.
Dwarf Hasted 40 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Hasted 40 ft.
Dwarf Heavy Armor Hasted Fly spell 90 ft.
Halfling as either of the ones above

Ciao
Dave