D&D 5E For those playing 2014 5e, how are you reacting to the 2024 update?

[UngeheuerLich]

Were 9/23 =23-9=14/20=70% miss or 30% hit. I could be wrong, math is not my thing

I could easily be off by 5% or so, I always forget which way to apply the hit

Ok. So your notation is wrong. The math behind it is close. You are indeed just off by 5%.

It is 23-9=14. So you need 14 to hit.

So you miss on a 13 and lower. So it is 13/20 = 65% miss chance. And thus a 35% hit chance.

Actually math would be easier if you did not have to just reach the target number but to beat it.

This means to hit AC 23 you need a 24 total. Then it would indeed be 23-9=14, so miss on a 14 or lower and only a 30%

If ot worked that way, flipping who rolls would also be easier.

AC 10 vs attack bonus of +0 means a 55% hit chance. Which is unituitive. So to flip it, the defende would have to roll d20+0 against 12+attack bonus for an equal chance.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

the discussion was about upping HP, not AC

No, I was responding to the comment that suggested raising AC a few points instead of having higher HP. So it is entirely relevant to discuss why higher AC is not good for those who don’t want to have magic items.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

you're assuming a level 13+ character hasn't maxed out their attack ability? weird assumption, but okay, i guess.

18 is Max in our game. I keep forgetting that’s a house rule of ours. That being said it’s only a 5% difference. We also don’t allow ASI unless it’s part of a feat

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Sorry. Your math is wrong.

It is 6/20 = 30% and 4/20 = 20%

Yes, that is what 9/23 means: +9 to hit a 23 AC is hit on 14 out of 20z 20-14 =6 = 30%

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Ok, your math is even more wonky.

You add +9 to your roll. So if AC is 20, you hit on rolls of 11 to 20. This are 10 sides of a d20. Now your chance to hit is 50%.

That is what I did - I always just forget which side the hit goes one. So, All my numbers should go up by 5. So 50% is better then 35% same idea tnough

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Ok. So your notation is wrong. The math behind it is close. You are indeed just off by 5%.

It is 23-9=14. So you need 14 to hit.

So you miss on a 13 and lower. So it is 13/20 = 65% miss chance. And thus a 35% hit chance.

Actually math would be easier if you did not have to just reach the target number but to beat it.

This means to hit AC 23 you need a 24 total. Then it would indeed be 23-9=14, so miss on a 14 or lower and only a 30%

If ot worked that way, flipping who rolls would also be easier.

AC 10 vs attack bonus of +0 means a 55% hit chance. Which is unituitive. So to flip it, the defende would have to roll d20+0 against 12+attack bonus for an equal chance.

My notation was +9 to hit / a 23 AC

 

[UngeheuerLich]

My notation was +9 to hit / a 23 AC

After reading carefully, I got what you meant. It is just an unusual notation from a Math teacher´s point of view.

 

[the Jester]

I play in multiple groups and run several as well.

My attitude: I think the revision has a lot of power creep and includes a bunch of changes that are neither necessary nor improvements. On the other hand, there are some changes that are good. It's a mixed bag. But overall, I'm not a fan of the revision.

How we're approaching it: some groups are staying as is, some groups are converting, some are starting new characters with the revised rules, some are playing a different game entirely (my homebrew version of DnD).

 

[AnotherGuy]

Our table has ignored it in its entirety.
We have home-brewed enough of 2014 to not have to concern ourselves about 2024 and any adjustments WotC have made.

One player at our table runs a Pathfinder game with some of his colleagues while the other runs a modified low-magic 5e.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

We run a homebrew 5e with a mix of 14 & 24, but mostly our own version