Forsaker PrC questions.

[kreynolds]

I've house ruled that inherent bonuses do stack. Though there is still a limit of +5. Inherent bonuses from wish stack if you cast the wishes close enough together. And if the inherent bonuses from the books don't stack they should have made the costs exponetial rather than linear. The Forsaker PrC is just one more piece of evidence that the whole idea of inherent bonuses work better if you just let them stack, as long as there's a hard ceiling.(+5)

Inherent bonuses already stack though. The wish spell already works the way you describe it too. And the Forsaker is still limited to an inherent bonus of +5 to any given stat, IIRC.

 

[Krystoff]

The way I thought it worked is that Inherent Bonuses don't stack unless they are used one after the other. Such as with Wish 5 times in a row.

This means that if you read a +1 Tome and then 6 months later read a +2 Tome you will not get a +3 but rather a +2 as the Bonuses do not stack.

Just what I remember.

 

[kreynolds]

The way I thought it worked is that Inherent Bonuses don't stack unless they are used one after the other. Such as with Wish 5 times in a row.

This means that if you read a +1 Tome and then 6 months later read a +2 Tome you will not get a +3 but rather a +2 as the Bonuses do not stack.

Just what I remember.

That's what I meant when I mentioned wish. If you make 5 wishes quickly, those 5 bonuses stack, but not above 5. It even states this in the spell description. The Forsaker PrC gets a total of 10 stat increases, but I thought he was still limited to 5 in any given stat. But now that I think about it, that would kind of suck, given that he can't use magic of any kind. Hmmm...not sure.

 

[Lord Ben]

Where does it say that inherent bonus's are limited to +5? Isn't that also just a limitation to how high you can get with wishes? What kind of bonus is the bonus you get every 4th level? Isn't that inherent?

 

[kreynolds]

Where does it say that inherent bonus's are limited to +5? Isn't that also just a limitation to how high you can get with wishes? What kind of bonus is the bonus you get every 4th level? Isn't that inherent?

The ability increases you get from leveling are special and stack with everything. Look in the DMG for an explanation on Inherent Bonuses, page 177. They are limited to 5.

 

[Lord Ben]

Okay, thanks for the page reference. I'm making an NPC Troll Forsaker for my Sunday game. 5th level Forsaker Troll and a Human Fgt/Forsaker as his master who runs the brains of the operation.

Adamentium equipment isn't counted as magic right? It just provides enhancement similar to a magic weapon?

 

[kreynolds]

Adamentium equipment isn't counted as magic right? It just provides enhancement similar to a magic weapon?

Correct. And it's called adamantine! You'll get Sean all fired up if you call it wrong. He hates that.

 

[Lord Ben]

Pphht!! I use wood to make wooden objects. I use Adamantine to make adamantium objects!!

 

[Krystoff]

That's what I meant when I mentioned wish. If you make 5 wishes quickly, those 5 bonuses stack, but not above 5. It even states this in the spell description. The Forsaker PrC gets a total of 10 stat increases, but I thought he was still limited to 5 in any given stat. But now that I think about it, that would kind of suck, given that he can't use magic of any kind. Hmmm...not sure.

Hence the reason why EOL houseruled it in his campaign that the Forsaker Inherent Bonuses stack with each other.

Here is how it stands per the rules as far as I can tell.

PC gains first lvl in Forsaker. Puts a +1 to STR. Time then passes.
PC gains 2nd lvl in Forsaker, now he can't put another +1 into STR because they wouldn't stack. He would get the greater of the +1 he already has there or the +1 he has to put there.

Obviously they meant to make it so that the Forsaker bonuses stack because they gave the Forsaker 10. If you did it the way it currently is, they would only actually get to use 6 of them, one for each ability score. (Maniacs original post was wondering about this).

 

[DM_Matt]

It effectively turns the Forsaker into a Supernatural creature who is a thaumivore, i.e. consumes magical power from items to power its supernatural abilities. In other words it is, ruleswise, the exact opposite of what the flavour text of the class implies.

I do appreciate their problem at balancing up the class, but this sure isn't the way!

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There are many ways around this. One is that Forsakers, not known for being all that bright, have simply been decieved by some god or powerful entity who IS a thaumivore. Perhaps this being, in humanoid form, provided the origional teachings that started it all, and grants them these subtle, but yet magical in origion, powers in return for leeching the energy from the magical items that Forsaker's destroy.