D&D 4E FR 4E SPOILER - Grand Histoy of the Realms info

[grimslade]

The whole marriage dealio is this:
Siamorphe gets pissed at the boss, Tyr, and leaves the House of the Triad.
Tyr knows that Siamorphe is a valuable divine entity and wants her back to keep the Triad strong
Sune seeing conflict on the horizon wants to strengthen Brightwater and gives Siamorph a new home.
Helm and Sune barter for Siamorphe's return. Sune figures a political treaty between Brightwater and the HotT would be good. A marriage between Tyr and Tymora would seal the deal. Sune gives some Love potion No.9 to enhance Tyr's and Tymora's attraction. Maybe Cyric diverts the Love Mojo to Helm instead.
Tyr is Awful Lawful and follows some archaic form of courtship. Helm acts as the broker. Cyric creeps over and in his best Iago impersonation gets Tyr to believe Helm is not being chaste enough or something. It only has to be a really minor infraction in Tyr's eyes for him to say something to Helm. Helm takes it as a slight to his honor being impugned and demands satisfaction. Tyr is awful lawful and accepts. Helm dies. Tyr is horrified. Tymora, thanks to Sunes influence, is heart broken that Helm is dead and she is married to his killer. Unlucky in love, I guess.
Sune is one ruthless SOB. She gains a whole bunch of the House of the Traid to her court, gets rid of fickle Tymora and weakens Tyr's position with the other gods. She pins the rap on Cyric and gets him imprisoned but not before he and Shar whack Mystra, Sune's 'friend'. Very Machiavellian. Sune is now one of the most influential gods in the Great Tree or whatever it turns into, the Great Topiary.

 

[hopeless]

Oh REALLY?!!!

He isn't hiding it from the initial reports. The mystery is about who was behind his doing it.

It also isn't necessarily the event you described. Maybe it was a duel of some sort.

Personally I'll go with Helm and Tyr actually faking the incident and when Cyric snuck into dweomerheart he found Kelemvor, Helm and Tyr waiting for him.

Later that evening Ao pops in with a copy of the history of the realms and sees them playing with some dice and asks them about Mystra...

They end up giving Ao the dice which is all that remains of Cyric's portfolio as Mystra hides allowing Shar to think she has the upper hand unaware that her nemesis Selune is helping to hide Mystra and the spell plague is actually a cover for the eventual stripping of Shar of her part of the weave and the reincorporation of that is what causes two worlds to merge as it allows Shar to escape Cyric's fate but Faerun is unaware that the Grand History of the Realms needs a major errata rewrite!

Sorry I'm not so much of a fan of FR but that is disgusting, did anybody actually bother to see what the reaction would be before hosing over everybody?

 

[grimslade]

Personally I'll go with Helm and Tyr actually faking the incident and when Cyric snuck into dweomerheart he found Kelemvor, Helm and Tyr waiting for him.

Later that evening Ao pops in with a copy of the history of the realms and sees them playing with some dice and asks them about Mystra...

They end up giving Ao the dice which is all that remains of Cyric's portfolio as Mystra hides allowing Shar to think she has the upper hand unaware that her nemesis Selune is helping to hide Mystra and the spell plague is actually a cover for the eventual stripping of Shar of her part of the weave and the reincorporation of that is what causes two worlds to merge as it allows Shar to escape Cyric's fate but Faerun is unaware that the Grand History of the Realms needs a major errata rewrite!

Sorry I'm not so much of a fan of FR but that is disgusting, did anybody actually bother to see what the reaction would be before hosing over everybody?

Hosing everyone over? I think it needs to be said again, WotC is not going to take all of our previous FR books away. We don't have to use any of the new FR stuff that comes out. Just step over to the side of the room with the Pre-From the Ashes Greyhawk Grognards and the pre-ToT FR grognards. It is a smaller group but some will be happier. Plus think of the money they'll save not buying a sourcebook every other month.

Or ride out the changes and keep going with WotC's most supported campaign.

 

[catsclaw227]

Translation: Just like every other setting out there. The Realms are losing their identity.

Which really sucks if you do like the Realms for what they are: If you like cookie-cutter settings without the Weave and the Seven Sisters, there's dozens of settings for you to explore without asking Wizards to make the Realms as bland as the rest, but now that the Realms will no longer have their unique features like several Pantheons with lots of deities, the Weave, and all that, those who did like it have no officially supported Setting any more.

Wait a sec... I haven't heard WOTC say that they are changing the Realms' identity. And I haven't read the new book yet, so I really can't comment on things myself, except just wild speculation.

Until I see the actual 4e Forgotten Realms book, this is just moaning and pining over a few summarized events posted on a board.

I'll make a gentleman's bet that many people upset by the VERY small nuggets posted here will actually go on the get the 4e FR book, and find they really like it. A lot.

Now... to save this thread in my "favorites".

 

[Banshee16]

Ok then...

Clearly whoever in charge of FR now does one of 2 things.

Spends way too much time watching the Soap Opera Channel.

Spends way too much time watching Telenovellas on Univision.

As it stands now,

FR is about to loose a 20 Year loyal fan & customer.

(Why do they always make the gods act like Int 4 Wis -15 Cha 2).

Didn't a NASA astronaut try to kill, or threaten to kill, another astronaut involved in a love triangle with a third astronaut?

Love can make simpletons of the smartest of people...

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

The last time the Weave went out of order, countless lives were lost, especially in High Netheril. Something like this is bound to happen, too: All those impossible creations that were held aloft by magic will fall down - Halruaa is in for interesting times. Other protections and healings and all that will fail, often at the worst possible moment, I'd say. It might not be as bad as last time, when there were dozens of flying cities, but it will still mean lots and lots of deaths.

I wouldn't call that something that doesn't affect your average character's everyday life.



And all the other gods that were killed off before all this. There was talk about 4 or so dwarven deities, and about half the drow pantheon (though those things are already in motion in "present-day" Faerûn as the novels describe it)



There's a big difference between "Civil War in Cormyr/Thay" and "High Moor cleansed of magical fallout" and "Half the world is tossed into the trash".

IMO, too many things that made the Realms unique are torn down. It seems that it will become just another vanilla Fantasy world with nothing much to distinguish itself.

What about all the other minor ones.....Nobanion, Red Knight, Sharess, Mielikki, Gwaeron Windstrom, etc.? They haven't really been mentioned...

Banshee

 

[catsclaw227]

Didn't a NASA astronaut try to kill, or threaten to kill, another astronaut involved in a love triangle with a third astronaut?

Love can make simpletons of the smartest of people...

And I believe she also drove cross-country in daipers so she didn't have to stop and use the restroom.

 

[Banshee16]

Which really sucks if you do like the Realms for what they are: If you like cookie-cutter settings without the Weave and the Seven Sisters, there's dozens of settings for you to explore without asking Wizards to make the Realms as bland as the rest, but now that the Realms will no longer have their unique features like several Pantheons with lots of deities, the Weave, and all that, those who did like it have no officially supported Setting any more.

Isn't FR sort of the *most* cookie cutter of them? I like the setting, but it's always been my definition of a cookie cutter, generic quasi-medieval setting.

Looking at others.....Dark Sun....definitely not cookie cutter. Dragonlance....high fantasy, epic conflict, romance, Iron Kingdoms...nope, Midnight; dark fantasy, fallen world, etc., Eberron, nope, Birthright; sort of, but with a heavy focus on nation-building, politics etc. that isn't present in most settings, Greyhawk.....possibly yes.

Maybe I'm wrong.....FR just seems more of a standard than the others.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing....just saying.

I'm very hesitant about these changes....but it will be interesting to hear more detail about them, as further information is released. Maybe it's not as bad as we think.

Banshee

 

[Wormwood]

Maybe it's not as bad as we think.

On the other hand, maybe the changes are as good as some of us think.

 

[Banshee16]

And I believe she also drove cross-country in daipers so she didn't have to stop and use the restroom.

I rest my case

Love is behind some of the greatest, and most tragic stories in history. Heck, look at the Trojan War......how many people died in that story, all over the illicit love of a single couple?

Zeus was famous in Greek mythology, given how many of his actions were dictated by love.....or at least lust. People died. Dieties got pissed off.

The whole triangle with Tyr, Helm, and Tymora can smack of silly....or it can be seen as inspired by some of the classic tragedies of classical myth. Of course, it's written by RPG designers, rather than a famous writer, so maybe it lacks a bit of polish, but that's where it's coming from.

I'm not convinced I'll purchase the 4E setting, but I'll definitely check it out. It'll be interesting to see what they do with it.

Banshee