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[Nellisir]

Out of curiosity, what site feature do you not disagree with? Advertising? The store?

Or does Morrus have a porn room no one has told me about yet...??

They're moot points of contention at this time, so I think discussing them in public isn't necessary or appropriate. It'd just be fanning the flames, and since I'm the one sitting in the fire, I'd rather not. I'll try to send you an email, or pm, or something, later on if you'd like. Or you can send me an email. nellisir at comcast dot net.

I assure you, a porn room would not be on my list of disagreeable things.

 

[Mistwell]

They're moot points of contention at this time, so I think discussing them in public isn't necessary or appropriate. It'd just be fanning the flames, and since I'm the one sitting in the fire, I'd rather not. I'll try to send you an email, or pm, or something, later on if you'd like. Or you can send me an email. nellisir at comcast dot net.

I assure you, a porn room would not be on my list of disagreeable things.

And I guess that is the signal to promote:

http://www.enworld.org/circvs/

The Subolesco Orgia forum is what you want.

Okay, so it's not actually porn. But, it's "The 'after hours' forum, where adult conversation is kept from prying eyes."

 

[Nellisir]

And thus force me to have features you don't like.

Exactly. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Like I said, I'm still thinking about it. I can swing $20, easy. But I rarely used the CS features when I had them - they aren't worth $20 to me. So the only reason to get a Community Supporter account is to express support. How long should a person financially contribute to an endeavor they feel is less and less useful to them?

As I've said, I think about it periodically. And I'll be thinking about it for the next few days. If I can come up with a reasonable post that sums up my opinion, and post it somewhere hereabouts without being called an ingrate, whiner, crybaby, freeloader, or some other derogatory term, then I'll probably buy one.

Cheers

 

[Nellisir]

And I guess that is the signal to promote:
http://www.enworld.org/circvs/
The Subolesco Orgia forum is what you want.
Okay, so it's not actually porn. But, it's "The 'after hours' forum, where adult conversation is kept from prying eyes."

I've been browsing Circvs recently, but hadn't come across that. Fun site in general.

 

[Dimwhit]

As I've said, I think about it periodically. And I'll be thinking about it for the next few days. If I can come up with a reasonable post that sums up my opinion, and post it somewhere hereabouts without being called an ingrate, whiner, crybaby, freeloader, or some other derogatory term, then I'll probably buy one.

Cheers

I don't think anyone minds you voices your concerns about anything. It's just when people voice them in such a way that is seems they're demanding Russ to change them...that's the problem.

Not meaning to be a shameless plug, but CM is there for exactly that purpose. Come and complain there. You complain, we'll tell you where to stick it, then we'll all enjoy a big huge and make fun of reveal.

Edit: Or Rel. He's REALLY fun to make fun of over there.

 

[Morrus]

Exactly. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Like I said, I'm still thinking about it. I can swing $20, easy. But I rarely used the CS features when I had them - they aren't worth $20 to me. So the only reason to get a Community Supporter account is to express support. How long should a person financially contribute to an endeavor they feel is less and less useful to them?

As I've said, I think about it periodically. And I'll be thinking about it for the next few days. If I can come up with a reasonable post that sums up my opinion, and post it somewhere hereabouts without being called an ingrate, whiner, crybaby, freeloader, or some other derogatory term, then I'll probably buy one.

Cheers

From that POV, I would advise against getting a CS account. The choice for you (since the features don't matter to you) is: do you wish to support the site or not? I attach no moral obligation to it; I am happy for you to use the site without contributing. But if you feel the site is becoming less "you" (for whatever reason), then there's no stigma in not supporting it. However - and this is an important caveat - you need to realise this is the real world, and making that choice and then complaining about the effect of the choice (i.e. EN World needing to find other revenue streams) shouldn't really be something you're doing.

That kinda sounds like I'm putting it all on your $20, which I'm not trying to do - I've exaggerated to make a point. It's the cumulative effect of hundreds of people who make the choice one way or another which affects how the site runs. So I'm not trying to say you're responsible for anything, one way or the other, because you're not - any more than any other individual member is.

I hope that came across OK!

 

[Dimwhit]

I hope that came across OK!

Like a drunken Brit? It sure did!

 

[Bront]

-Lots of stuff-

I'm not going to attack your personal spending habits, other than to say that $20 a year is not a lot to ask (less than $2 a month). (Admittedly, I thought $40 was too much, so the sale made my day).

However, you made several assumptions about people using the front page and new posts section that I think are untrue. I have used that exactly once, and only because I stumbled on the thread I was going on to look for there in the first place, and even that was an accident.

Not everyone browses the site like you. Me, I usually have 2 windows up parusing different sections of the site, others have more or less, some use the feature, some don't. You are speaking as if you are a typical user, and that is likely not the case. And you're missing the bigger picture besides that.

Everyone is effected by server speed, and if this improves the speed, then what Morrus is asking is for some users to make a sacrifice so the entire user base can enjoy some benifits.

I for one, have noticed a huge speed increase since I got back from Gen Con, and applaud Morrus for finding a way to increase the site's speed.

 

[Nellisir]

However - and this is an important caveat - you need to realise this is the real world, and making that choice and then complaining about the effect of the choice (i.e. EN World needing to find other revenue streams) shouldn't really be something you're doing.

I agree (with a reservation). And I hope you'll notice, I haven't exactly been going around burning down the boards with this. I'll mention it if it seems topical, but lets face facts -- I'm a married, home-owning, first baby (it's a girl!!!!!!) on the way (December), laid-off, "making the decision to go back to school and get a masters", guy. I've got better things to do with my time than rabble-rouse.

But (here's the reservation), prospective customers have the right to say "here's why you haven't got my money yet, and here's what you would have to do to get my money". That's not complaining, that's feedback. I'm not saying people don't complain, but not all objections are complaints.

I hope that came across OK!

Just fine and dandy. I get exactly where you're coming from. And in your shoes, I might even make exactly the same choices. Or not. Tough to tell, since I'm not in your shoes.

And on the topic of what it'd take to get my money...
If the monstrously huge ads actually stay off the top of the news, as they have for the past few days, I'll absolutely buy a CS account. It's amazing how much that changed the feel of the site for me. Hell, guarantee they'll stay gone for a year and I'll pay fifty bucks for a CS (or $20 and a $30 donation). I realize that's probably a fraction of what they bring in, but I have to be reasonable in my grand gestures. Baby is going to need plush-thulus.

 

[JoelF]

I just wanted to have the tally reflect I'm another person who heavily used the recent posts from the front page. I miss it, and feel that my use of the forums will decrease (I don't post often, but do like to read a few threads a day - I just don't have time to read as much as I'd like).

If it's not coming back, there's nothing I can do about it other than add my opinion to this thread.

On a tangent, however, I find that the recent reviews panel is something I never use. If I want to read a review of a particular product, I'll look for it, but don't see the relevance of the list of recent reviews. Maybe I'm in the minority on this point, but I'm thinking that either
a) replace the recent reviews with the recent forum posts

-- or --

b) if removing the recent forum posts increased speed, why not remove the recent reviews as well and increase speed even more?