Full attack action feats - Dirty Fighting

[Thorntangle]

We had a tangential rules discussion over in General when discussing The Quintessential Fighter:
http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26696

The main FAQ clearly states that the feat Dirty Fighting requires a Full Attack action, therefore a character can either have one attack and use the feat and get extra damage or use multiple attacks (if they have them) without using the feat.

The question: Does the FAQ's clarification on this feat imply an extension of this ruling to all similar feats requiring a full attack action, e.g. Two-Handed Power Strike from QF?

I would say yes because of multiple precedents, but I want to hear from the crew.

 

[Crothian]

Actually, these two feats are worded differently and that's important.

Dirty Fighting: "This feat requires the Full Attack action."

Two-Handed Power Strike: "...only be applied when you are using the full attack combat action."

Dirty Fighting has to be done as a full round action, so only one attack per round using it. 2HPS can only be used when taking a full round action, so as long as what you are doing requires a full round you use this feat.

 

[Thorntangle]

Where are you seeing this?

In my S&F on pg.6, Dirty Fighting, it says, "This feat requires the full attack action." and there is nothing in the S&F errata regarding this feat.

 

[Crothian]

Where are you seeing this?

In my S&F on pg.6, Dirty Fighting, it says, "This feat requires the full attack action." and there is nothing in the S&F errata regarding this feat.

Umm, I can't type. That's what that is all about. I even read it before posting and missed it. Actually, I'm watching football as I do this so I'm a little distracted. It is a Full Attack Action. A Full Around Action is pure gibberish. Sorry, I'll edit and fix that.

 

[Thorntangle]

bump

 

[kreynolds]

The question: Does the FAQ's clarification on this feat imply an extension of this ruling to all similar feats requiring a full attack action, e.g. Two-Handed Power Strike from QF?

Have you tried asking them?.

 

[Thorntangle]

Re: Re: Full attack action feats - Dirty Fighting

Have you tried asking them?.

No, because I'm trying to reach a broader perspective and consensus. For the sake of argument, ignore the specific example of Two-Handed Power Strike.

Does the precedent set by Dirty Fighting apply to all like feats?

 

[drnuncheon]

Re: Re: Re: Full attack action feats - Dirty Fighting

No, because I'm trying to reach a broader perspective and consensus. For the sake of argument, ignore the specific example of Two-Handed Power Strike.

Does the precedent set by Dirty Fighting apply to all like feats?

I'd say so. There's a couple others that work the same way - Circle Kick, I think? Really, it would have been better if they worded it like Whirlwind Attack: "you give up your regular attacks and get one that does +1d4 (or whatever) damage".

I'll also note that WWA apparently doesn't cause you to give up your off-hand attacks - so potentially if you used Dirty Fighting you could still make multiple attacks using TWF and its successors (although you wouldn't get the damage bonus for the off-hand attacks).

J

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: Full attack action feats - Dirty Fighting

Does the precedent set by Dirty Fighting apply to all like feats?

It might and it might not, but that's neither here nor there. The question is what is their "intent" of their feat.

I get the feeling that Mongoose intended for the feat to function like Dirty Fighting. On the other hand, a lot of the materials from their books are so over the top powerful that it's quite possible it would function on all attacks in a full attack action.

That's why I suggest you ask them.

 

[Stalker0]

GOD I HATE DIRTY FIGHTING!!! MESSED UP MY CHARACTER!!!! STUPID FULL ACTION!!!! AJHHHHHHH!!!


Sorry guys, just needed a little ventalation there, I'm better. now.