D&D 3.x Fullblades in 3.5

[Creamsteak]

Those warmace things from complete warrior could help screw around things some more. That's right, just keep making the weapons bigger and bigger...

If "Monkey Grip" (complete warrior) stacks with "Powerful Build" (half-giant), then you could get into even more crazy oversized-ness. I'm pretty sure this doesn't work though, if I remember the wording right monkey grip would be useless for a half-giant since powerful build overlaps and is superior.

But, hypothetically , enlarged half-giant with monkey grip and exotic weapon proficiency (take your pick), could weild some stupid-big weapons.

 

[robberbaron]

One of my players REALLY wanted to use a fullblade.

We use it as a 2d8 weapon that is used 2-handed and requires an EWP.

 

[Hypersmurf]

If "Monkey Grip" (complete warrior) stacks with "Powerful Build" (half-giant), then you could get into even more crazy oversized-ness. I'm pretty sure this doesn't work though, if I remember the wording right monkey grip would be useless for a half-giant since powerful build overlaps and is superior.

By the wording of Powerful Build, a half-giant can't actually wield a Large greatsword at all. But the sample NPC does exactly that, so the wording of Powerful Build isn't actually what it's supposed to be, apparently.

-Hyp.

 

[ruleslawyer]

By the wording of Powerful Build, a half-giant can't actually wield a Large greatsword at all. But the sample NPC does exactly that, so the wording of Powerful Build isn't actually what it's supposed to be, apparently.

From the XPH, p.12 (bottom right):

A half-giant can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty.

How does the wording suggest that "a half-giant can't actually wield a Large greatsword at all"?

As for Powerful Build + Monkey Grip: Although Powerful Build stacks with "effects of powers, abilities, and spells that change the subject's size category," Monkey Grip doesn't change the subject's size category; it just allows a subject to wield weapons one size category larger, just like Powerful Build. So I'd say they definitely wouldn't stack.

 

[Altamont Ravenard]

So my advice is to scrap the separate weapon, 'Fullblade', and just use a Large Bastard Sword. It fits the 3.5 Weapon Sizing system much better that way - an 'Ogre's Greatsword' should be a Large weapon, even if it's not technically a greatsword

-Hyp.

But won't the character have a -2 penalty for using a weapon of incorrect size?

AR

 

[sledged]

From the XPH, p.12 (bottom right):

How does the wording suggest that "a half-giant can't actually wield a Large greatsword at all"?

As for Powerful Build + Monkey Grip: Although Powerful Build stacks with "effects of powers, abilities, and spells that change the subject's size category," Monkey Grip doesn't change the subject's size category; it just allows a subject to wield weapons one size category larger, just like Powerful Build. So I'd say they definitely wouldn't stack.

I'm with ruleslawyer on this one. My copy of XPH makes it quite clear about the benefits of Powerful Build.

Just found out my player has taken the feat Exotic Weapon (Bastard Sword).

Is this correct?:
Since he is a half-giant with Powerful Build, he can use a large bastard sword with two hands, and only two hands, if he does NOT take the EW feat.

Not quite. He can still use it in one hand, but he suffers a -4 penalty to attack, because he's not proficient in its one-handed usage.

But with the feat, he can use a large bastard sword in one hand or a huge bastard sword in two hands, and only two hands.

Yes, the huge bastard sword comes with a -2 penalty to attack, because it's designed for a huge creature. I'd also rule that even without EWP (bastard) he could use a huge bastard sword in two hands, but with an additional -4 penalty.

damage for a 1d10 sword increase to 2d8. 2d8 moves up to 3d8?

Yes.

 

[Creamsteak]

A half-giant can sue weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty.

I agree that this means a half-giant is treated as large size for the purpose of weapons. I think Hypersmurf translates that to mean that a half-giant can use large sized weapons as a medium sized character would, but without the -2 penalty to attack rolls.

Also, powerful build is way too generous IMHO. At the very least, I think a half-giant should have to pay more for weapons AND for armor.

 

[rrealm]

I think a half-giant should have to pay more for weapons AND for armor.

Bigger versions of weapons (such as large and huge) do cost and weigh more than the standard versions.

Couple of questions:
A) Does a "Huge Bastard Sword" cost 140gp and weigh 24 pounds? (35gp x 2 [to make large] x 2 [to make huge] and 6 lbs x 2 [to make large] x 2 [to make huge])

B) What is the cost if the huge bastard sword is masterwork?
1) 1340 ( (35 x 2 x 2) + (300 x 2 x 2) = 1340) )
2) 440 gp? ( (35 x 2 x 2) = 140 + 300 = 440 )

C) What if the weapon has a +1 magical enchantment
1) 8000 + B1 (2,000 x2 [to make large] x 2 [to make huge] + the MW multiplied out + base cost multiplied out)
2) 2000 + B2? (The 2,000 is added on, not multiplied)


One last thing, why would a half-giant's armor cost/weigh more than normal? They are still medium-sized creatures.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I agree that this means a half-giant is treated as large size for the purpose of weapons. I think Hypersmurf translates that to mean that a half-giant can use large sized weapons as a medium sized character would, but without the -2 penalty to attack rolls.

As written, yes.

A Medium character can wield Large weapons, but their relative encumbrance category is increased by one step, and he takes a -2 penalty.

Powerful Build allows a half-giant to wield Large weapons without penalty. The only penalty given is the -2. If he wields a Large longsword, he can do it with two hands; it's still a two-handed weapon for a Medium creature. If he attempts to wield a Large greatsword, he can't; it's larger than a two-handed weapon.

Monkey Grip allows a Medium creature to wield Large weapons without increasing their relative encumbrance category, but he takes a -2 penalty in so doing.

A Half-Giant with Powerful Build as written and Monkey Grip could wield a Large longsword in one hand (MG) at no penalty (PB), or a Large greatsword in two hands (MG) at no penalty (PB).

A Huge weapon is not affected by either ability - both refer specifically to weapons designed for creatures one size larger.

Now, as noted, it seems that what they wrote for Powerful Build is probably not what they meant to write... but what they meant to write is unclear once you start talking about Huge weapons.

-Hyp.

 

[rrealm]

here is the info from the PHB for the bastard sword

Sword, Bastard: A bastard sword is too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.​

looks like a med human fighter can use it one handed with EWF or two handed (only) without the feat. Both ways of are at no penalty. So that means that a half giant can use a large bastard sword one handed with EWF or two handed (only) without the feat

The only perk of taking the exotic weapon feat (bastard sword) is so that you can use the weapon in one hand, not to get the "next size up", right?