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Re: Re: (Fun but OT) Song of Ice and Fire
GRRM changed the way that I thought about playing D&D. I was always stymied about the paradox of writing a plot without deciding what the PCs should do.
GRRM is part of the answer. You don't write -a- plot. You write a dozen. Like desperate mewwing pups they fight for the right to suckle from the imagination. ONly the strongest stories survive, fed by the player's decisions.
(OK. its late and I'm running on coffee but these books are great. I'm making my players read them. Not that my game really has anything to do with the books....)
People have spoken very well here. a few comments
Jon Snow is also an author identification character, probably more consistently and clearly in my mind. They both are. They probably both were basically set up in his mind to be that way (remember the scene where they first meet in the begining of the first book?)
Yes. Definitely magical. They will become more magical as the level rises again. As will the maesters skills.
GRRM isn't done yet. I think that what we've seen so far with just be a prequel. I think that magic will never become super common, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets to be like super-powers. I.e. special people with dependable, regular, abilities.
(having read further I see this is basically what Victim said)
The red wedding was wrenching. But honestly I took it harder when the Lanister brothers couldn't get over their emotions to become dire enemies at the end of the third book. The willingness to hate your own brother as some sort of desperate salve to your ego stayed with me long after the image of the wolf=headed-man faded from my mind.
The lightning lord scene was cool. Especially the way he keeps objecting to being forced to come back.
Random question:
what's wrong with Sansa? She's great.! The best little hidden gem in the story.....
Tyrion and Jon Snow are cool, but they're cool in the way that most protagonists are cool. They're basically static throughout the book except they get a little bit smarter, tougher and wiser.
Jaime and the Hound are cool because they change their orientation to the world a bit, buecoming less self-absorbed and realize the important of serving the community.
Sansa is a different and much rarer breed of creature: like Edmund from the Lion, the witch and the wardrobe she's unquestionably filled with poor judgement and cowardliness.
They make the best reading because that's what the vast majority of people are. Weak and self-deluding but rarely possessed of the breadth of vision to understand what they are doing.
(edit: and thus not black and white 'they should have known better" like the Mountain.)
A good story enterains you. A great story creates a whole new language for your imagination to express itself in.
GRRM changed the way that I thought about playing D&D. I was always stymied about the paradox of writing a plot without deciding what the PCs should do.
GRRM is part of the answer. You don't write -a- plot. You write a dozen. Like desperate mewwing pups they fight for the right to suckle from the imagination. ONly the strongest stories survive, fed by the player's decisions.
(OK. its late and I'm running on coffee but these books are great. I'm making my players read them. Not that my game really has anything to do with the books....)
People have spoken very well here. a few comments
Teflon Billy said:
Jon Snow is also an author identification character, probably more consistently and clearly in my mind. They both are. They probably both were basically set up in his mind to be that way (remember the scene where they first meet in the begining of the first book?)
Mystic Eye said:
Yes. Definitely magical. They will become more magical as the level rises again. As will the maesters skills.
GRRM isn't done yet. I think that what we've seen so far with just be a prequel. I think that magic will never become super common, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets to be like super-powers. I.e. special people with dependable, regular, abilities.
(having read further I see this is basically what Victim said)
Dr Midnight said:
The red wedding was wrenching. But honestly I took it harder when the Lanister brothers couldn't get over their emotions to become dire enemies at the end of the third book. The willingness to hate your own brother as some sort of desperate salve to your ego stayed with me long after the image of the wolf=headed-man faded from my mind.
The lightning lord scene was cool. Especially the way he keeps objecting to being forced to come back.
Random question:
what's wrong with Sansa? She's great.! The best little hidden gem in the story.....
Tyrion and Jon Snow are cool, but they're cool in the way that most protagonists are cool. They're basically static throughout the book except they get a little bit smarter, tougher and wiser.
Jaime and the Hound are cool because they change their orientation to the world a bit, buecoming less self-absorbed and realize the important of serving the community.
Sansa is a different and much rarer breed of creature: like Edmund from the Lion, the witch and the wardrobe she's unquestionably filled with poor judgement and cowardliness.
They make the best reading because that's what the vast majority of people are. Weak and self-deluding but rarely possessed of the breadth of vision to understand what they are doing.
(edit: and thus not black and white 'they should have known better" like the Mountain.)
This is actually what makes the book great. "sending their banners south'. That wasn't english a few years ago (OK it wasn't american english and I don't think it was british or Austrailian, or Canadian, or Indian or New Zealand, english either).Velenne said:
A good story enterains you. A great story creates a whole new language for your imagination to express itself in.
heh.Mistwell said:
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