Pathfinder 1E Gama trade show - Pathfinder Basic

[nnms]

This is, unquestionably, still the Pathfinder RPG. We've made it easier to learn and to play, but you could theoretically take your character to a Pathfinder Society event and play level-appropriate scenarios alongside people who created their characters out of the Core Rulebook.

Disappointing. But thanks for the info.

I was hoping they would make a new self contained basic RPG boxed set rather than just a low level box for 3.x.

 

[DaveMage]

I was hoping they would make a new self contained basic RPG boxed set rather than just a low level box for 3.x.

That would be a mistake, IMO. Rules mastery is one of the things that Paizo would likely want to begin to establish and using rules that don't port to the main game might cause confusion. (It is a "Pathfinder" set, not a "new Fantasy RPG" set.)

The box set (hopefully) will whet the appetite of the player/GM who would later seek out (advance to) the Core Rulebook.

 

[scruffygrognard]

I understand why they'd want a gateway product for their flagship game but wish that this gateway product could be a far simpler, more-streamlined version of the Pathfinder rules (as Basic D&D was to AD&D).

Oh well.

 

[Fifth Element]

- The $35 was the cheapest they could make it and still put everything in it that they wanted.
- The box is very deep and loaded with stuff. Paizo predicts people will feel they got their money's worth. (For what its worth, the loaded Warhammer Fantasy starter box was priced at $100)
- The game in the box, though somewhat simplified, is fully compatible with the fuller version. People will be able to use the box and its content to make a character for use in the Pathfinder Society games, which seems to me like the way to go.
- The box contents are not fully finalized but dice are very, very likely.

Is it just me or do points #1 and #4 not jibe with each other? If they aren't sure of the final box contents, how can they be sure that $35 is the cheapest they can produce said contents?

 

[Dark Mistress]

I understand why they'd want a gateway product for their flagship game but wish that this gateway product could be a far simpler, more-streamlined version of the Pathfinder rules (as Basic D&D was to AD&D).

Oh well.

From what Paizo people have said. i think they fully intend to do just that. Eventually, just not right now. Right now this is about a gate way boxed set to help learn and start playing Pathfinder RPG. But from some hints they have dropped I wouldn't be surprised at all in a year or two we see a Pathfinder basic type game, a simpler version.

 

[nnms]

There's been talk about Paizo becoming an industry leader. I guess I'm just disappointed that instead of doing something new and being that leader, they're basically copying the idea behind Essentials. To illustrate, here's Vic's quote with some substitutions in orange.

This is, unquestionably, still the D&D RPG. We've made it easier to learn and to play, but you could theoretically take your character to a Living Forgotten Realms event and play level-appropriate scenarios alongside people who created their characters out of the Player's Handbook.

First WotC passes up an opportunity and now Paizo follows them down the same path. Le sigh.

 

[S'mon]

WotC Essentials line does not include a 5-level, $35, complete-in-a-box Basic set. I wish it did.

 

[pawsplay]

I understand why they'd want a gateway product for their flagship game but wish that this gateway product could be a far simpler, more-streamlined version of the Pathfinder rules (as Basic D&D was to AD&D).

Oh well.

If it gets too simple, it's not Pathfinder. You can try to hawk copies of Microlite20 on street corners if you want, but it doesn't have much to do with Pathfinder.

 

[scruffygrognard]

If it gets too simple, it's not Pathfinder. You can try to hawk copies of Microlite20 on street corners if you want, but it doesn't have much to do with Pathfinder.

There's plenty of space between Microlite d20 and Pathfinder. I'm sure that you could make a lean, mean d20 fantasy game that plays A LOT like Pathifinder without all of the extra bells and whistles.

 

[pawsplay]

There's plenty of space between Microlite d20 and Pathfinder. I'm sure that you could make a lean, mean d20 fantasy game that plays A LOT like Pathifinder without all of the extra bells and whistles.

For instance, you could make a version of Pathfinder that only goes up to level 5 or 6 and has fewer spells, feats, and less-often used rules. That would have substantially fewer extra bells and whistles, yet would still be compatible.

At the point at which this concept becomes it's own thing, I start to wonder: what is it for?