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GAMING FRONTIERS: A $20 magazine! Are they nuts?

If there wasn't already so much product out there that I definitely wanted to buy - Call of Cthulhu d20, Deities & Demigods, etc. - then I wouldn't mind paying the cover price for GF. My gaming budget is already dominated by stuff I already know I want, so a sampler of material, while interesting, is not on the top of my list of stuff to buy.
 

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ColonelHardisson said:
If there wasn't already so much product out there that I definitely wanted to buy - Call of Cthulhu d20, Deities & Demigods, etc. - then I wouldn't mind paying the cover price for GF. My gaming budget is already dominated by stuff I already know I want, so a sampler of material, while interesting, is not on the top of my list of stuff to buy.

This is me as well to a "T." I just noticed the the KoK Player's guide was about to be released and my first thought was, "oh, no and I haven't even been able to afford CoC D20 yet."

However, if each edition was, as someone has already suggested, focused on one subject, be that pirates, dinosaurs, tentacled monsters from beyond, or what have you then it would be much, much, much (let me stress the much here) more likely to get a look over from me. I would find it fascinating to see what each D20 publisher could do with a given topic and would even appreciate some game-fiction along the same lines to get the brain focused on the topic.
 
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so it in trueth would take 2 Dragons and a Dungeon Magazine to equal one Gaming Fronteirs.
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I actually kind of like Gaming Frontiers.

Yay Gaming Frontiers. Keep up God's work, my brothers.

That said, the above-quoted statement is so insane it boggles the mind.

--Erik
 

This is someone what off topic, but i heard of this car company, they are called Jaguar, and they make cars, but the cost near $45,000! Why would anyone ever pay that much for a car? I can get a Camry for $20,000. They are definitely going out of business because no one would ever want to pay that much when they can get the same thing for cheaper.

Moral of the story: just because someone sells a product that doesn't meet your criteria doesn't make it a bad product, and doesn't mean the business is going to flounder. I have no first hand knowledge of the product, i just disagree with your logic.
 
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I suppose for someone who isn't as "plugged in" to the d20 scene via the Internet as we are, this might be a good way to get a bunch of exposure to what all is out there.
 

Gaming Frontiers vs. Campaign

I think Gaming Frontiers and Campaign are two different approaches. GF is a content-focused publication which tries to make its money by providing enough (perceived) value so the consumer will pay its higher price. Campaign is going for a more traditional magazine approach, offering a lower-price to the consumer by trying to get ads.

I like both publications, and I'm also biased. (The editor of Campaign is one of my best friends and Sovereign Press has ads and aritcles in both publications.) Campaign is following Dragon's trend and going for "themes" in each issue. This gives them target customers and a means to be more appealing to certain advertisers each month.

GF is a gorgeous publication, in full color, and I'm really looking forward to seeing my Sovereign Stone adventure in the next issue. If I were to give them any advice, I would say scale back the fiction a bit more to focus on game content. I would also reconsider the review section--since the Internet and publications like Campaign and Games Unplugged are published more frequently and will beat them to the punch for most products.

Just my thoughts...

Jamie Chambers
Managing Editor
Sovereign Press, Inc.
 

alaric said:
This is someone what off topic, but i heard of this car company, they are called Jaguar, and they make cars, but the cost near $45,000! Why would anyone ever pay that much for a car? I can get a Camry for $20,000. They are definitely going out of business because no one would ever want to pay that much when they can get the same thing for cheaper.

Moral of the story: just because someone sells a product that doesn't meet your criteria doesn't make it a bad product, and doesn't mean the business is going to flounder. I have no first hand knowledge of the product, i just disagree with your logic.

I can't buy your logic here. This "not a magazine" magazine is not a single product as the jaguar analogy implies. A better anolgy, IMO, would be should I buy a $20,000 Camry for $20,000 or a $20,000 Saturn for $45,000, but the Saturn comes with 2 Yugos and 3 Mo-peds (2 of which are nice).

If I buy a Jag, 100% of my money goes to the Jag. If I buy GF, some of my money goes to stuff I am interested in. But a lot of it goes to stuff I don't care for in the least.
 

President's reply

Well after all these posts I guess it’s time I spoke up. Robert J. Williams. President of United Playtest and publisher of Gaming Frontiers here. I appreciate the support that our readers and contributing publishers have offered in this thread. I also appreciate the constructive criticism offered by others. But it hasn’t all been constructive has it? It is those statements that I must now address. Captain Kantrip, since you are one of the more vocal personalities on this thread a lot of my comments will be directed at your statements. Please don’t misconstrue these as a personal attack, merely a response.

Price: Our MSRP is $17.95 even though many here insist on rounding that up to $20. Some here have said that you would be willing to buy the book at $15, only $3 less than our cover price yet you round the price up $2. $17.95 rounded up is $18 folks. And as Talon Games mentioned you can buy the book a number of places that offer a discount (For the record, Talon, You are always included in my email to inquiries of where people can purchase the book).

I don’t appreciate you putting down our product or placing it in a niche without ever reading it. CK from your description of Scenario I am not interested in buying it especially for $20. But I don’t intend to go to their website (whoever publishes Scenario) and tell them they are doomed for failure because I don’t understand their marketing plan hence I won’t buy their product.

On that note, I recommend anyone interested to go to our website and read reviews of our product written by people who HAVE read our product. A number of them bring up the price issue but they all agree it’s worth it after having had the opportunity to read the vast amount of original content held within.

To quote someone from this thread: No matter what kind of spin they want to put on it Gaming Frontiers is still a magazine (or words to that effect). Again I believe this was written by someone who opted to not by the product. I find it personally humorous that everyone here who has bought Gaming Frontiers agrees that it isn’t what you would generally classify as a magazine yet everyone who hasn’t bought it insists that it is.

The big difference between us and a magazine: Original content. Aside from Dragon or Dungeon magazines every other gaming magazine published (most of which don't exist anymore) offer previews and excerpts of upcoming product but precious little original material. What of it there was was usually written by the magazine's staff members and was hit or miss in my opinion. More often than not you got a "player/GM assistance"-type article that while intriguing or thought-provoking added little to my game. We offer original content from existing d20 publishers (more so in Volume 2 and more yet again in Volume 3) that can be used as stand alone or in conjunction with the product(s) the article is related to. And we pay for our content unlike magazines which usually get their stuff for free (hence the unoriginality)

I don’t pretend to believe that Gaming Frontiers is for everyone. At best we create a niche product for a niche industry. If you would rather spend your money elsewhere I suggest you do, I certainly don’t want any unhappy customers. But if you are a fan of d20 that appreciates and purchases products from multiple companies and settings whether for actual game use or as reference material then Gaming Frontiers is for you. It provides a nice sampling of the d20 publisher’s products while leaving you with good quality original material you can instantly use in your game.

Robert J. Williams, President
United Playtest, Inc.
www.gamingfrontiers.com
 

OK, I'm going to address something about GamingFrontiersRob's post that has consistently irritated me for as long as I've been a member of this community. No offense intended, Rob, truly, but how about addressing some of the constructive criticism/suggestions directly? Far too many times have I tried to provide constructive criticism or suggestions about something, or watched others do the same, and have seen it ignored in favor of duking it out with the guy that is most incendiary. Y'know what? You're not gonna get him to buy it. You might get me to buy it if you actually discussed with me some of the points I (and others) raised. You might get a dialogue going with some of us who may just become customers if we saw evidence that you had read what we posted, and not just the harshest criticism.

Note that I never mistook the price for $20; I mentioned Scenario magazine, which is $20. Note also thgat even when I referred to GF as a magazine, I pointed out that I didn't think it was bad that it was a mag - in fact, I see it as a plus. To me, the difference is simply splitting hairs, and neither helps not hinders GF.
 

This thread has been interesting, especially since it brought some varied opinions of what a magazine is or is not...

Personally I saw the free preview and offered TG's services and so far it has been a great avenue for people to see what we are about or just get familiar with the name Thunderhead Games.
I buy a lot of d20 stuff for R&D :D and enjoy most of it, and even if my items were not in GF it has some great stuff to look at and I would have bought #1 and continued to buy it. I will say from TG view we create all new stuff for each issue but may use it and post it at a much later date...we have come up with some neat people and places for #3 that CAN fit into Bluffside but can be used in any city...as well as one Dragonstar place of interest, so with or without TG in it, I like it and would be buying it for the varied info and the quality of stuff that is appearing in it.

Ok 'nuff from me.
 
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