Gaming W/Jemal : Prisoners!!(Inmates Chosen)
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ethandrew
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Jemal said:
I don't have the book in front of me right now, but you potentially buy-off some of the LA. It's not that good when you develop with it, but it is good when you high level create with large LA.
Essentially, without the book with me or having looked at it in a few months, I believe you sacrifice a level here and there to pay off the LA, so you basically knock down the LA to only a few, instead of many. So like, if I was to play an Vampire with LA +8, you could buy off a few of those levels and still be able to have more than 4 character levels (in this scenario that we're starting at 12th).
I could get you more info tonight, but I'm sure someone here will be able to fill in what I've gotten wrong or missed.
Jemal
Adventurer
ethandrew said:
OK, so how do you 'buy' these levels? GP? XP? If XP, then how much?
If you spend an entire levels worth of XP on it, then how's it any different from the LA?
I'll have to wait for the full info, I gues...
And btw, using you example - You can't BE a vampire at lower than 13th lvl..
5 HD + 8 LA = 13 ECL. minimum vampire level (I should know, I'm a vamp lover)
ethandrew
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Jemal said:
Damn, I thought I grabbed something without HD for the example! Anyway, it's through EX, and I know I'm missing something vital, but essentially with that vampire example, it'd let you have at least a few class levels. I'll look to see if it's in the SRD.
I think, real cursory, the buyout makes the ECL a little lower after the fact, but I'm not sure. I'll take a look and see if I can't find anything more detailed before I get home tonight.
Velmont
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Prior Loksteel is looking into the crystal ball. A nice magical item he thought. He was looking at it and was seeing a group of people heading his way. He knew them very well. He had been there ally once. It was during the years of the tyrannie. They had fought side by side to get the Lord down from his throne. But even there, he doubt he had there full trust. They knew his power had somethging wierd and people have been colder to him than to the others.
His power... he remembered when he was just a kid. The Lord had killed his father and mother, because they were in teh resistance. They had been helpless when the guards had come. Prior was hiding in the wall, in an hidden compartement. He didn't saw teh last moment of his parents, but he had heard it well. He had cried the lost of his parents for a week before he swaered the Lord would pay, at any cost... he had been heard.
He received the visit of a quasit. He explained him that the Lord was the son of a devil and he was serving a devil, by sending ressources and slave to him. So teh quasit teach him a dark art. Over time, he mastered it. Events force him to join that group and they become strong allies. Without him, they would have never discovered the true nature of teh Lord, with them, Prior would have never acheived his vengence.
But today, the peace have returned, and where his power were welcome in the adversity, they disturb abd scare in this new and free world. They fear to see the same scenario again. After all, his power had something demonic to it. He couldn't be angry at them, he couldn't fight them either, his vengence was done and he had no more will to fight.
Prior walk up to the large gate. It was one of the item the Lord used to summon devil to his side. It led to other worlds. Travelling, it could be a good thing. He didn't knew how it work, but he has an easy to time to guess it. He touch the portal and the portal start to glow. He felt something wrong with the portal. Was it a good thing to use it? He heard the group banging at the door. They wouldn't give him much time, he had no more choice. He looked behind as the door open. "Farewell, friends. I'm leaving this world for good, now that I have nothing more to do here." Prior jump into the portal before it close, hoping he end in a more welcoming world.
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I would do a Warlock, most probably a human, but the race isn't stop yet.
His power... he remembered when he was just a kid. The Lord had killed his father and mother, because they were in teh resistance. They had been helpless when the guards had come. Prior was hiding in the wall, in an hidden compartement. He didn't saw teh last moment of his parents, but he had heard it well. He had cried the lost of his parents for a week before he swaered the Lord would pay, at any cost... he had been heard.
He received the visit of a quasit. He explained him that the Lord was the son of a devil and he was serving a devil, by sending ressources and slave to him. So teh quasit teach him a dark art. Over time, he mastered it. Events force him to join that group and they become strong allies. Without him, they would have never discovered the true nature of teh Lord, with them, Prior would have never acheived his vengence.
But today, the peace have returned, and where his power were welcome in the adversity, they disturb abd scare in this new and free world. They fear to see the same scenario again. After all, his power had something demonic to it. He couldn't be angry at them, he couldn't fight them either, his vengence was done and he had no more will to fight.
Prior walk up to the large gate. It was one of the item the Lord used to summon devil to his side. It led to other worlds. Travelling, it could be a good thing. He didn't knew how it work, but he has an easy to time to guess it. He touch the portal and the portal start to glow. He felt something wrong with the portal. Was it a good thing to use it? He heard the group banging at the door. They wouldn't give him much time, he had no more choice. He looked behind as the door open. "Farewell, friends. I'm leaving this world for good, now that I have nothing more to do here." Prior jump into the portal before it close, hoping he end in a more welcoming world.
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I would do a Warlock, most probably a human, but the race isn't stop yet.
Jemal
Adventurer
First off, Nice site, i hadn't seen it before. Bookmarked now. 
Now on to business :
I definitely would NOT allow LA buyoff at Epic, b/c it can get pretty bad (You can essentially get a +1 LA for 3,000 XP), but at this level i think it's balanced enough.
After reading that though, I must say this - keep in mind that due to the strict nature of when you can buy off an LA, you would be able to buy off a +1LA (3 char. lvls=ECL4), a +2LA(6 character levels=ECL7, then another 1, 3 levels later, which is now ECL9), or get rid of 1 of a +3 LA. (3X3=9 class levels required,+3 LA = ECL12 exactly). Anything with a LA of +4 would not be buyable. (Though remember I'm automatically lowering everything 4 and to 1 lower, but see below).
ALSO, FYI, For purposes of buying off LA, I'm going to make you buy it off normally as though you didn't have the -1 LA adjustment from my campaign, and THEN you get the -1 (This will only apply to dragons at this level, as you can't buy off a 4 or higher LA).
(This only applies to PRE-buying LA. If you reach a point IN GAME where you could buyoff LA, then feel free to do so at whatever your current LA is.
Velmont - I love warlocks.
That's the first of what I'd consider a 'full' submission.
Now on to business :
I definitely would NOT allow LA buyoff at Epic, b/c it can get pretty bad (You can essentially get a +1 LA for 3,000 XP), but at this level i think it's balanced enough.
After reading that though, I must say this - keep in mind that due to the strict nature of when you can buy off an LA, you would be able to buy off a +1LA (3 char. lvls=ECL4), a +2LA(6 character levels=ECL7, then another 1, 3 levels later, which is now ECL9), or get rid of 1 of a +3 LA. (3X3=9 class levels required,+3 LA = ECL12 exactly). Anything with a LA of +4 would not be buyable. (Though remember I'm automatically lowering everything 4 and to 1 lower, but see below).
ALSO, FYI, For purposes of buying off LA, I'm going to make you buy it off normally as though you didn't have the -1 LA adjustment from my campaign, and THEN you get the -1 (This will only apply to dragons at this level, as you can't buy off a 4 or higher LA).
(This only applies to PRE-buying LA. If you reach a point IN GAME where you could buyoff LA, then feel free to do so at whatever your current LA is.
Velmont - I love warlocks.
That's the first of what I'd consider a 'full' submission.
ethandrew
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That more than covers every facet of my question!
Wishlist, I really want to play a Raksasha, but I won't yet as he'd be severely underpowered I feel. I still might come up with something more powerful, but tentatively I am still thinking about running a fallen paladin.
Mechanically I think he'll be Pal 11 | Blackguard 1, and then slowly, given the blackguard conversion rules, he'll lose more of his paladin-ness and gain more blackguard-ness. I want to start him at the beginning of his transition.
Wishlist, I really want to play a Raksasha, but I won't yet as he'd be severely underpowered I feel. I still might come up with something more powerful, but tentatively I am still thinking about running a fallen paladin.
Mechanically I think he'll be Pal 11 | Blackguard 1, and then slowly, given the blackguard conversion rules, he'll lose more of his paladin-ness and gain more blackguard-ness. I want to start him at the beginning of his transition.
