GC 2006 - Ptolus Hardback $120!?!

[Romnipotent]

This thread is currently costing me $0.00 per page... I like it and shall keep buying it

 

[Tetsubo]

This thread is currently costing me $0.00 per page... I like it and shall keep buying it

But have you factored in the cost of your ISP...?

 

[Sammael]

Ptolus is for the gamer nuts who can afford it.

Is d20 setting elitism created by product price something that this hobby really needs, though? There is already plenty of elitism with regard to gaming systems (WoD players look down upon d20 players a lot, for instance), but no one so far has gone in this direction. I'm not sure it's an evolutionary path I like, although it will undoubtfully be a success (I'm sure Monte has already covered the production costs through preorders alone).

 

[Sammael]

I will never understand this "$/page" obsession people seem to have.

Me neither. What's point of $/page comparisson, when you may end up using only 1-2 pages from a book that costs $0.11 per page, whereas you may end up using the entire book that cost you $0.30 per page?

 

[DaveMage]

For those in the USA who don't like the $120 price, remember, amazon will likely have it for less than $79 with free shipping.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled thread...

 

[WildWeasel]

Me neither. What's point of $/page comparisson, when you may end up using only 1-2 pages from a book that costs $0.11 per page, whereas you may end up using the entire book that cost you $0.30 per page?

Because they can be a useful metric for judging the rough amount of content. It shouldn't be the primary consideration: "I got this book for $0.01 less per page, therefor it is the bestest!" But it can be useful when people say things like: "MC is just price gouging with Ptolus," to show that no, it's about in the geenral range for supplements in terms of $/page.

 

[Numion]

Is d20 setting elitism created by product price something that this hobby really needs, though? There is already plenty of elitism with regard to gaming systems (WoD players look down upon d20 players a lot, for instance), but no one so far has gone in this direction. I'm not sure it's an evolutionary path I like, although it will undoubtfully be a success (I'm sure Monte has already covered the production costs through preorders alone).

I wouldn't say that this book creates elitism. Gamers have never been equal financially anyway - so I don't understand the big outcry against the idea of this book. WLD was only 20$ cheaper, so it's not like this books breaking that much new ground in regards to price. Contentwise it might do so, which makes it an interesting concept. The fact that Monte has decided that one big book format will serve the project best tells me he's got something special coming up - he wouldnt have risked this big public outcry for something mundane.

Equality of gamers does have something to do with the outcry, however, but not from the elitism angle. The reason is IMO simpler: because it is Monte Cook doing it. He's the most recognized d20 developer, a celebrity in our small world. This is a red cloth for all the gamers striving for equality: everyone should be equal, and no-one should be special. "Who does this Monte guy think he is, making the most expensive RPG book ever? Does he think he's special?" :\

 

[Pielorinho]

Which means, of course, that if any of us don't believe in a maximum price for an RPG book, but instead would want to know what kind of value there is in such a book that warrants that kind of expense, you have absolutely nothing to add to the discussion. ...

And your personal opinion, ungrounded in any kind of persuasive argument, is not going to appear convincing to these people.

It appears my original several warnings were unclear. THread locked.

Daniel

 

[Dinkeldog]

Stupid Daniel keeps beating me to the punch.