D&D (2024) GenCon 2023 - D&D Rules Revision panel

[Minigiant]

I think that has to do with what another poster - I think it might have been @mamba - was saying against the 70% playtest threshold. The UAs are actually getting scored, not in a vaccuum, or an absolute scale, but in how they compare to the 2014 version. This doesn't mean that 83% of people like this ranger as their "ideal ranger" - it just means that they like it that much better than the 2014 one.

Basically the 2014 Barbarian, Ranger, Sorcerer, and Champion Fighter are so bad with XGTE and TCOE, even the bad playtest versions are better.
Well the playtest Barbarian Berserker is alright.

Edit: Emphasis

 

[Charlaquin]

Nah. I was just speculating that you might think that we're further apart than we are. If I'm wrong, that's cool.

Ooh. Now THAT'S an interesting slide! It will be interesting to see if whatever they wind up printing scores these numbers, down the road after they print them.

I’ve long wondered if the approval threshold being public knowledge ends up inflating approval numbers by discouraging people from voting “dissatisfied” on things they don’t particularly like, but don’t want to see excised completely.

I also suspect there’s either some spin or some flawed data analysis going on here, because the 2014 column is likely showing how people felt about the classes/subclasses overall, whereas the 2024 column is likely showing approval of the changes being proposed to those classes/subclasses. Like, if you hate the 2014 ranger, I suspect you’re likely to express approval of it being changed. That doesn’t necessarily mean you approve of the 2024 ranger broadly.

 

[mamba]

That bastion of accurate information: Twitter. Apparently.

or more precisely a twitter post with a slide from WotC

 

[Charlaquin]

I think that has to do with what another poster - I think it might have been @mamba - was saying against the 70% playtest threshold. The UAs are actually getting scored, not in a vaccuum, or an absolute scale, but in how they compare to the 2014 version. This doesn't mean that 83% of people like this ranger as their "ideal ranger" - it just means that they like it that much better than the 2014 one.

Yes, I think that’s likely a big factor here.

 

[mamba]

Or the penetration of Tasha's in play isn't that high.

I've been very satisfied with the Tasha's Rangers

the rating still would be high then, I assume you do not count as a 0 if you never played it

 

[Reynard]

or more precisely a twitter post with a slide from WotC

During the OGL debacle, Nerd Immersion proved himself to be not particularly trustworthy as a source, so you'll forgive me if I assumed it was clickbait nonsense.

 

[Mistwell]

During the OGL debacle, Nerd Immersion proved himself to be not particularly trustworthy as a source, so you'll forgive me if I assumed it was clickbait nonsense.

Forgiven. Skepticism appropriate.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

4e was a success for its time. Its reputation is a lot of hindsight that gets conflated with the fact that it spawned Pathfinder and arguably OSR too.

And 4e, meanwhile, actually just proves the point. Ive maintained for a while that 5e is just basically a lobotomized 4e, and that is why people keep reinventing 4e when they try to fix 5es problems.

If they iterated on it, both it and what could have been 5e would be in a better state than either one is as what are basically giant one offs fully reflective of how they design.

That is an... interesting... take.

 

[mamba]

I’ve long wondered if the approval threshold being public knowledge ends up inflating approval numbers by discouraging people from voting “dissatisfied” on things they don’t particularly like, but don’t want to see excised completely.

I also suspect there’s either some spin or some flawed data analysis going on here, because the 2014 column is likely showing how people felt about the classes/subclasses overall, whereas the 2024 column is likely showing approval of the changes being proposed to those classes/subclasses. Like, if you hate the 2014 ranger, I suspect you’re likely to express approval of it being changed. That doesn’t necessarily mean you approve of the 2024 ranger broadly.

all valid concerns, I am deeply unimpressed with WotC's approach to this

 

[mamba]

nvm