D&D (2024) GenCon 2023 - D&D Rules Revision panel

[Reynard]

Do y’all know something the rest of us don’t? Where are you getting these numbers from?

That bastion of accurate information: Twitter. Apparently.

 

[Minigiant]

Thank you!

I'm surprised that the post-Tasha's versions of those specific classes and subclasses were so low.

TCOE didn't fix the actually problems with those classes and subclasses because the problems were deep in the design of those classes due to how the playest surveys were analyzed.

 

[Emberashh]

Nah. I was just speculating that you might think that we're further apart than we are. If I'm wrong, that's cool

I get what you're getting at, but this is why Ive asked for people to argue the point rather than get sidetracked in a side argument over my tact or how I explain myself.

 

[Minigiant]

That bastion of accurate information: Twitter. Apparently.

Those are WOTC slides

 

[bedir than]

TCOE didn't fix the actually problems with those classes and subclasses because the problems were deep in the design of those classes due to how the playest surveys were analyzed.

Or the penetration of Tasha's in play isn't that high.

I've been very satisfied with the Tasha's Rangers

 

[Reynard]

Those are WOTC slides

I reiterate my earlier question: how much of the player base engages with those surveys? And which demographics?

 

[Charlaquin]

How on Earth is the current playtest ranger at 83% approval??

I guess the ranger is just Not For Me. Sure wish they’d at least give us a proper survivalist class in addition to the primal gish.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I get what you're getting at, but this is why Ive asked for people to argue the point rather than get sidetracked in a side argument over my tact or how I explain myself.

Sure, but that'll happen naturally (rather than you having to request it) if you tone it down a step or two. I'm happy to engage with you regarding your points, but they get lost a little along the way. It's a two-way street. Look: I'm sorry for what's starting to sound like a lecture. I just honestly want to see your points get further traction without so much pushback. Not that any of this ENWorld discussion matters beyond our own entertainment...

 

[Minigiant]

Or the penetration of Tasha's in play isn't that high.

I've been very satisfied with the Tasha's Rangers

That and Tasha's didn't fix the core of the classes.
TCOE was also slightly to very OP so yeah I can see many tables not allowing much of it.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

How on Earth is the current playtest ranger at 83% approval??

I guess the ranger is just Not For Me. Sure wish they’d at least give us a proper survivalist class in addition to the primal gish.

I think that has to do with what another poster - I think it might have been @mamba - was saying against the 70% playtest threshold. The UAs are actually getting scored, not in a vaccuum, or an absolute scale, but in how they compare to the 2014 version. This doesn't mean that 83% of people like this ranger as their "ideal ranger" - it just means that they like it that much better than the 2014 one.