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[Rystil Arden]

GW's "The Lost Gem" adventure is where Stonebender was introduced. Unfortunately, the adventurers were en route to Stonebender's shop when the adventure fizzled to a halt, so we never even got to meet the dwarven blacksmith.

For enhancement bonus +2, it takes CL 10th. Since LEW is supposed to be PC centric, I'm reluctant to suggest that Stonebender should be L10. But Rinaldo just gained his 9th level, and in Fallon we have two L15'ers and a L18'er (Mithreander), so I think a L10 crafter is reasonable. Ideally, PCs will buy from other PCs, but that's just not plausible right now.

At the very least, I want Stonebender to be L8, because that means he's powerful enough to make Rasereit's +1 Bashing shield. =P

ADDENDUM: Perhaps, once B4cchus' Master Crafter becomes finalized, we could have some NPCs take levels in it.

A level 18 caster in Fallon? Really? Darnit, if other people are misbehaving that much with the level guidelines, I'm going to need to follow suit and level up some of the NPCs that I specifically kept weaker to fit in the guidelines. A level 13 Wizard just doesn't strike inspire people the same way if they can just say "Ah, who cares--there's a much higher-level Wizard in Fallon."

For the record, why do we have a level 18er in Fallon again?

EDIT: Just checked and I see why--the same reason as that town I can't remember that supposedly had tons of Archmages--it's older stuff. And Fallon has a Grand Councilor who is supposedly even better than Mithreander. I'm going to make a proposal about this.

 

[Rystil Arden]

New Proposal on the issue of these NPCs.

 

[Velmont]

Rilithorne, the wizard that live in teh stony tower of Orussus is at least level 9th caster and have access to Craft Magical Arms and Armor.

Stonebender have appeared in di Senzio's Tournement (and actually, Cepheus is one of his apprentice). I've never told, neither I have denied, that he could do magical weapon. That is still open.

Go to Stonebender to make you a masterwork item and then go see Rilithorn for enchanting your shield.

Known stats of Rilithorn up to now:
[SBLOCK=Rilithorn]These are some establish stats. If it is not written here, feel free to complete it if you need it.
Class: Wizard
Level: At least 9th
Feats: Extend Spell, Quicken Spell, Craft Wonderous Items, Craft Arms and Armor, Craft Construct, Craft Rods
Known Spells: Magic Missile, Web [/SBLOCK]

 

[Patlin]

Rilithorne, the wizard that live in teh stony tower of Orussus is at least level 9th caster and have access to Craft Magical Arms and Armor.

Stonebender have appeared in di Senzio's Tournement (and actually, Cepheus is one of his apprentice). I've never told, neither I have denied, that he could do magical weapon. That is still open.

Go to Stonebender to make you a masterwork item and then go see Rilithorn for enchanting your shield.

Known stats of Rilithorn up to now:
[SBLOCK=Rilithorn]These are some establish stats. If it is not written here, feel free to complete it if you need it.
Class: Wizard
Level: At least 9th
Feats: Extend Spell, Quicken Spell, Craft Wonderous Items, Craft Arms and Armor, Craft Construct, Craft Rods
Known Spells: Magic Missile, Web [/SBLOCK]

That seems like a lot of feats. How did you reach that conclusion? Remember that Rilithorn is known to trade with other wizards in order to stock his shop, and when he wanted to reward the PCs from Burning Tower with magic weapons he sent them elsewhere... strongly indicating that he doesn't personally know how to craft them.

 

[Velmont]

That seems like a lot of feats. How did you reach that conclusion? Remember that Rilithorn is known to trade with other wizards in order to stock his shop, and when he wanted to reward the PCs from Burning Tower with magic weapons he sent them elsewhere... strongly indicating that he doesn't personally know how to craft them.

Well, because I reused that character and given most of these feats.

Extend Spell and Craft Rod was given to him because the Metamgic rod [Extended] was used by him to create the Rod. Wizard and Cook had for goal initially to fo to Allimon to fetch the rod, as rilithorn was suppose to pass teh week at her niece's house.

Craft Construct was given as he had build a construct (and many animated items) to help Serena (his niece) into her work (she is a great cook). Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Wondrous Item are pre-requisit, so he gain them by default.

He also have use a quicken spell when he appeared in that adventure.

But he can easily have taken:

1st: Extended Spell
3rd: Craft Wonderous Item
5th: Craft Arms and Armor
6th: Craft Construct
9th: Craft Rod

Quiken spell could have been taken at 1st, but unlikely considering he can't use it before higher level, but it is legal. Or he could have taken it at level 10th... his 9th level was just a minimum considering all his feat and the spells he had use (Like a quicken magic missile).

I don'r remember what your party wanted, but it might also just mean Rilithorn didn't wnated to build any item at that moment for many reason too.

 

[Rae ArdGaoth]

As far as I know, Rilithorne is the most powerful wizard in Orussus. (Am I correct in thinking this?) I really like the idea of making the most powerful wizard in the most economically prosperous city in the region... level 10. It's different from what I'm used to playing, and it means that PCs will really be world-shakers, which is exactly what I want in LEW.

For the record, I had Rilithorne make potions, specifically at least one love potion. (Well, technically, it was a half-made love potion that his apprentice screwed up.) That could be explained away by saying it was research for a spell or the apprentice has the Craft Potion feat (though that requires him to be L3... so I don't know).

Patlin, you made Rilithorne, right? Maybe you have his stats still?

Back to Stonebender, I don't think it's unreasonable to have multiple mid level crafters in Orussus, a trade city. If there are mid level crafters anywhere, they'll definitely be here. (By mid level, I mean 8-12.) However, according to NPC classes, Stonebender is probably an Expert, not an Adept. Thus, he couldn't enchant things.

There's a high demand (at least among the PCs...) for magical items. Orussus, for sure, has more than di Senzio's Magic Shop and Rilithorne to supply that demand.

 

[Rystil Arden]

As far as I know, Rilithorne is the most powerful wizard in Orussus. (Am I correct in thinking this?) I really like the idea of making the most powerful wizard in the most economically prosperous city in the region... level 10. It's different from what I'm used to playing, and it means that PCs will really be world-shakers, which is exactly what I want in LEW.

Psst--come vote on my proposal then. I do know that I've made several NPCs above level 10 (but then, I have an adventure with level 9 characters in it, so that goes without saying unless everything they encounter is a monster), but I agree that we shouldn't just throw around level 18 councilors.

 

[Patlin]

Patlin, you made Rilithorne, right? Maybe you have his stats still?

I'm afraid not. I have no problem honoring Velmont's vision of the character though... that's what makes it a living world!

 

[Erekose13]

Orussus has a purchase limit of 40,000gp right? Thats a +4 weapon max. Which requires what 12th level caster. <- so we need one of those.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Orussus has a purchase limit of 40,000gp right? Thats a +4 weapon max. Which requires what 12th level caster. <- so we need one of those.

It is not necessarily true that a character can feel a guaranteed right to wantonly buy hugely expensive items just because of a purchase limit. If +4 weapons are at the level of "Oh yeah, sure, I'll pick one up at the local Kwik-E-Mart", that means Orussus must have a large number of 12+ casters. I would hope we would require the +4 weapon to be specifically commissioned, or we really cheapen +4 weapons compared to our desired level of NPCs. I hope Orussus does not have +4 weapons (32k), +6 equivalent armours (36k), +6 stat items (36k), and every other 40k or less item in the game just lying around in a number high enough to just go buy them as if they were standard. That would mean Orussus has unlimited Tomes, and those require a level 17+ caster! I think it's perfectly fair to require a +4 sword buyer to go elsewhere to commission the item--the price limit is more for how rich the city is and thus how expensive items can be that you pawn off there without ruining the economy.